steve dmmsrm@home.com Wed Dec 12 21:25:11 PST 2001 It just occurred to me while reviewing Jerry's record and the dates of his fights that during his most successfull time periods ,he seemed to be fighting every three or four months.He must have been training constantly.I suppose it was a matter of "making hay while the sun shined".I viewed the heart breaking story of "Schoolboy Bobby Chacon"the other night.I can't help but wonder if this current crop of fighters has the right idea,fight only once a year. steve dmmsrm@home.com Wed Dec 12 21:24:50 PST 2001 It just occurred to me while reviewing Jerry's record and the dates of his fights that during his most successfull time periods ,he seemed to be fighting every three or four months.He must have been training constantly.I suppose it was a matter of "making hay while the sun shined".I viewed the heart breaking story of "Schoolboy Bobby Chacon"the other night.I can't help but wonder if this current crop of fighters has the right idea,fight only once a year. Kent orion, etc Wed Dec 12 18:48:18 PST 2001 I am picking Lewis to win but not because of the size difference. Tyson has just been too inactive to be at his best and the ring rust will be his undoing. I feel he needs at least four fights to be ready for a title fight. I can see Tyson getting frustrated because of his inability to get past the Lewis jab and when this happens, he tends to stand too straight up and throw only one punch at a time and then grab the other fighter and wrestle around the ring. By standing straight up and only throwing a punch at a time he plays right into the taller fighter's hands. Tyson needs to fight out of a crouch to make himself a samller target and he needs to charge in behind multiple left jabs while at the same time using side to side head movement. When he gets close to Lewis he then needs to throw combinations first to the body and then to the head. Tyson needs to throw pucbes in bunches in order to have the best chance to win. Of course there is always the Tyson power and that can never be discounted. Remember that Tyson looked terrible in most of the Douglas fight and he still almost pulled off a knockout with a tremendous uppercut I pick, as I think I said in an earlier post, Lewis by a decision. Lewis could also win by knockout as he is also a heavy hitter. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 17:03:15 PST 2001 You mean a film of that fight can't be found anywhere? What a shame that is. Jerry vs. Mathis would be interesting to watch. As for good big man vs. good little man: Tyson is short, but far from a little man. A Pitbull can take down a much larger breed of dog---when I saw the destruction Tyson's punches caused Golata, it made me realize that Tyson might not be the same guy he was 10 years ago, but he still hits like he has a brick in his glove. If he lands any of this on Lewis, the fight could end very early. Lewis doesn't have the glass jaw so many people accuse him of---but he won't survive Tyson if Tyson is on the mark that night. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 10:00:57 PST 2001 In looking in one of my old Ring Magazines I came upon the recap of Quarry-Mathis. Jerry got the nod 10-1-1, 10-1-1 and 9-2-1 in rounds. That is real impressive considering Mathis was at 232 his preferred weight and the same weight he dominated Chuvalo at. It is a shame this fight is lost in the netherworld of old film. It must be a great performance by Quarry in the heart of his prime! Paul Maduros pama42@yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 09:54:17 PST 2001 I just wanted to say that Jerry was around at the most perfect time in boxing , the sixtys and part of the seventies. I could just picture a movie about him. You'd be hearing all that great music from back then. What a sound track! I hope that it happens someday. Jamed Quarry res0cjek@verizon.net Mon Dec 10 19:50:06 PST 2001 There's at fight coming up that is very attractive. Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson. I believe the old rules apply. A good little man will never win over a good big man. I think Lewis will knock out Mike Tyson inside of five rounds. Tyson is to easy to hit with right hands. It will be another Foreman vs Frazier. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Sat Dec 8 07:18:18 PST 2001 I have to agree with you guys about the 60's and 70's. Holmes and Foreman were grandfathers and competitive with Holyfield,Mercer,Moorer etc. In most cases, when you sat down to watch a heavyweight fight in the 60's and 70's you never knew what would happen. Anybody could win! Most of todays heavies, as big as they are, can't punch, they just wear each other out then push them down, not knock 'em down with a crisp shot. They don't seem to be in as good a shape ether. Watch some of these guys walk back to their corner after a round or two. Other than Lewis,Byrd, who at 6'2" 220 is small by todays standards, the aging Tyson and Ray Mercer, most of these guys lack real boxing skill. Holyfield was born 20 years to late. Always in shape, well trained. Altough a bit of a billygoat, he would have done very well in the 70's era, but todays heavys, as unskilled as they are just too strong for a guy Evander's size. I don't know maybe I'm just an old fart waxing nostalgic, But I think the 90's crop is better compared with the 30's and 40's than the 70's. Thanks for letting me ramble. Oh yea, Norton won the third fight. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Fri Dec 7 17:54:58 PST 2001 The 90's were good, but the talent level wasn't even close. I watch how stiff these guys are now. Maybe it is because they are so much bigger, but geez i'm talking about crisp combinations and ring ability, not just brute strength. I remember how Shavers would throw that left hook to the body and as the guy goes down to block it he shoots the huge right over the top. Jerry had his classic left hook to the body which he eventually turns into a hook to the head when the other guy doesn't expect it. Ali more things then I can even mention. The one fighter who won't win anything probably but is a classic style fighter is Fres Oquendo. He is a joy to watch, but at 6'2 225 he will be in trouble against the huge guys. Oquendo is so very skilled and would fit in any era as a classic stylist type fighter. He is a joy to watch now and has been for his last 4 or 5 fights. James Quarry TJQF Fri Dec 7 10:04:39 PST 2001 I remember saying to Jerry in the late 60's and 70's. When Jerry got into the ring against Frazier, Ali, Spencer, Ellis, Shavers, Lyle, Foster, Orbillo, all these fighter were in the best condition of thier lives. They all knew that if you got into the ring with Jerry, they had better be in the best condition ever and to fight thier best fight. If they didn't they were in trouble, may be shouldn't get into the ring with Jerry. Spencer was not properly prepared and look what happened to him. Lyle, was not at his best, look what happened. Some of the fighters that were at thier best at the time that was not good enough was Patterson, Orbillo, Foster and Mathis. Ellis would not fight Jerry, I know he got in the ring, he just wouldn't fight. Now the best of the "Golden Era" Ali, Frazier, On the nights they fought Jerry, they were in better shape and were better fighters. Each better in thier own style which on those nights proved that, one being a the perfect fighter in Joe Frazier and one being the perfect boxer, Muhammad Ali. I give these two fighters thier credit where credit is due. Norton beat Jerry way passed the time Jerry should have been out of the game. Foreman as scary as he was to fight, admits he dodged Jerry. Who could blame him. Jerry gave Lyle a boxing lesson and knocked out Shavers, probably the heavyiest puncher in the heavyweight history beside Cleveland Williams. Foreman was as smart as he was a champion. I know this, every fighter that Jerry fought, showed him the respect that he deserved. I'm sure that in thier minds at the time it would be possible for Jerry to win. They knew it. The Press knew it and so did the fans. Jerry's poem says it all. The Best of all time and Jerry was a part of it. Jerry brought out the best of them all, if they wanted to win. OH MAN I WISH YOU WERE HERE! Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 19:55:54 PST 2001 Couldn't have said it better Kent. The heavyweights of the 70's, primarily Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Holmes, Quarry, Shavers, Lyle and Young were a group that had, more than anything else, heart. These guys fed off eachother and brought out the best in their opponents. I think back to the pasting Jimmy Young was taking in the 7th round of the Foreman fight---but he survived it and actually turned tiger at the end of the round and eventually won the fight. Then there was Foreman getting up off the canvas to overcome Lyle. Lyle in his classic come from behind win over Shavers. Shavers destruction of Norton and Shavers two epic losses to Holmes. Holmes classic win over Norton---Norton's win (or wins according to some) over Ali. The Ali-Frazier trilogy. This doesn't even begin to bring Jerry Quarry into the picture---his defeats over Lyle and Shavers and his losses to Ali, Frazier and Norton. And the most classic trip back through memory lane includes the fights among this group that DIDN'T take place! Foreman-Quarry, 1973! Young-Holmes, 1978. Shavers-Foreman, anytime, anywhere. Lyle-Frazier---how would that one have gone? These 70's warriors had the hearts of lions. Among the 90's fighters, Holyfield showed this type of determination, Tyson showed this type of talent---but no one else was/is close. Lewis has been a pretty consistent champion, but I don't put him in with the elite 70's heavies. Who would have won Frazier-Lyle? Decision? KO? Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Thu Dec 6 19:05:22 PST 2001 Steve: It says a lot that Kellerman's list would include two fighters that were around in the 1970s on his list of the best heavyweights of the 1990s, George Foreman and Larry Holmes. That these two fighters, who were past their prime and still near the top of the crop of 90s fighters, tells me the earlier group of fighters was much better. I would say that the 1990s heavyweight field was stronger than the current crop but it can't campare to the strength of the division in the 60s, 70s, and even into the early 80s. STEVE dmmsrm@home.com Thu Dec 6 13:31:56 PST 2001 I just heard a Max Kellerman radio enterview where He describes the 90's as the best,or at least the second best decade for heavywieghts of all time.He lists as His examples,Mike Tyson,Evander Hollyfield,Larry Holmes,George Foreman,Lennox Lewis,Riddick Bow,Ray Mercer,Tommy Morrison,Razor Ruddock.How do you guys think this list compares with the 70's guys?Where do you think Jerry would rank in this group?Mr. Quarry,your site is like a time machine for me. charles anderson ctjjandfam@aol.com Thu Dec 6 11:13:56 PST 2001 hello jim, what is the latest on a book or movie about jerry? he should play a big part in the movie about ali because of it being a big part of boxing history. Mr. Jimmy tjqf Wed Dec 5 19:11:52 PST 2001 Leave Kent alone. No one is trying to pretend to be someone we'er not. We are all invloved in a sport that we like, "Boxing" We might write about it, live it or be it. We just want to have fun and be productive. Kent handeled himself like a professional. James Quarry TJQF Wed Dec 5 19:06:38 PST 2001 We were not contacted by the Producers of the new Ali movie. I do not know how Jerry will be portraid. In some of the passed films, Jerry's fight was passed over as a tune - up! There is alot riding on this new Ali movie making it. It means alot to me. I hope it does well. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 18:04:04 PST 2001 I don't think Lyle is a forgotten fighter at all, at least not among true boxing fans. They guy gave a gutsy performance against Ali and some feel the fight was stopped prematurely. Young-Quarry would have been a great matchup, depending on when the fight would have taken place. Jerry would have tried like hell to force Young to fight, while Jimmy would be clever as always, moving, sticking, boxing. Young's performance against Big George Foreman was a boxing classic. The reason I think Holmes could have beaten Jerry is the same old issue, that is, cuts. Holmes was a master of using his jab to open cuts and deepen them. Holmes also had a size and weight advantage that would be tough to overcome, because he could take a hard punch and was very fast for his size. kookooclock kookooclock000@yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 15:52:58 PST 2001 Ask and you shall recieve kent.. I'm going back into the woodwork.. but. before I do.. I would like to state what a know it all jerk KENT APPLE A DAY IS!! You need to have your clock cleaned... Farther more .. Foolface is nobodys fool.. Your always in somebodys business kent.. Sadly an Apple a day may never keep Kent Apple away..(( coo coo coo coo..... Kent orion, etc. Tue Dec 4 15:50:49 PST 2001 To the regulars here: The battle lines have not been drawn. I am not responding to anything further from a certain individual(s)unless that person(s)has (have) something relevent to say. I will not dishonor the memory of Jerry Quarry or the Quarry family by doing any more senseless arguing. We have had enough of that in the past. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Tue Dec 4 14:24:04 PST 2001 Where have you been Dougie my boy? A "fools" errand must take a long time I guess. I missed all of your rapier wit and you make me laugh more than you know! Mr. Jimmy Q granted me an interview several months ago and it is no longer posted here on the Quarry home page, so I am guessing that you went to one of the sites I write for (I have been doing this for about six months now)and you read it there. I don't care if you go to that site and say anything you want about my articles as the webmaster and editor like what I do, so have at it. Hey where is your buddy the Cookcoo Clock? I fully expect him to lay an egg here soon or at the Frazier site. foolface foolface2@yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 13:17:46 PST 2001 i don't believe what i'm seeing / kent apple finally conned james quarry into giving him an interview/ WHAT A JOKE!!! / mr. quarry your above this guy/ does kent think he's howard cosell? / kent has turned this into his playground/ MR. QUARRY I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU/ BUT KENT NEEDS TO GET A LIFE!!! P.S. KENT LEAVE THE QUARRYS ALONE!!!!! Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 12:28:20 PST 2001 I hope Lyle is in the 64 man tourney, I almost am sure he is. Lyle was a near-great starting at 28. If he would have gone through a more typical route he could have been one of the best of any decade. Don't forget his near-win against Foreman where he had Big George on his way out a couple of times in that fight. Shavers vs Lyle is a forgotten classic and a great fight to pop in on a gloomy Tuesday Afternoon, maybe I will! Mark Sargeant lpu00mts@reading.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 10:49:56 PST 2001 One man who should go far in this 64 man tournament is a very unheralded fighter from the 1970s and that is Ron Lyle. Lyle was an explosive fighter who could hit hard and take a very good punch. Climbing off the canvas to defeat Earnie Shavers should have put him in a great position in the history books, together with a wealth of victories over a number of very good fighters that made the era so great, such as Ellis, Bonavena, Bugner. Even that knockout of Buster Mathis was very impressive considering the latter's performance against Frazier up until he ran out of steam. He was winning against Ali before some familiar magic shhok him, proving his boxing skills were great. And for heart you only have to look at his performance against Foreman in which the 4th round is arguably the most exciting round in heavyweight history. All credit has to go to Jerry Quarry for his brilliant defeat of Lyle, but I wonder what record he could have established if he hadn't become a pro at 29 after 7 years in prison. You only have to look to Tyson to see the effect that can have on you. What are other people's opinions on Lyle, and can anyone explain why he's a forgotten man? Johnny Q JohnQW@yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 14:55:05 PST 2001 Mr. Jimmy, Did the producers for the new Ali move contact you regarding Jerry? Have you heard how Jerry is portrayed in the move? My concern is that Ali will be presented as a saint and his opponents cast as bad guys (typical for Hollywood). It's clear with the passing of time that Ali's opponents were all good people struggling with their own lives and careers. I hope the movie portrays all the fighters with respect. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Mon Dec 3 13:01:47 PST 2001 Andrew, it is interesting that you bring up Jimmy Young verses Jerry. Gil Clancy said that Jerry used fighters like Jimmy Young as sparring partners and that Jerry was dominate. Clancy called Jerry the best gym fighter he had ever seen. Maybe it was because of the head gear and there was no chance of Jerry getting cut that made Jerry seem better in the gym at times than he was in actual competition. The threat of a cut always loomed over Jerry's head as four of his eight losses, not counting the fiasco at 47 years old in Colorado, were due to cuts. If we take away the losses due to cuts, Jerry's record was 53-4 in the rest of his bouts, again not counting Colorado. That is an impressive record when not cut. Andrew daprince24@yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 07:15:07 PST 2001 I believe what Foreman says on his web page about Jerry. I also believe that he is probably the best heavyweight to never win a world title. The sixth round of his second fight with Ali was inspiring. Jerry probably knew that he had lost, but before he did he left the crowd with something to remember him by. He was championship material. If he had been fighting in his prime during the 1980's he would have won a title. I don't know if he could beat Holmes but I know if they fought in their primes it would be a war. I've also been wandering if everyone else thinks Jerry would have beaten Jimmy Young. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 20:16:27 PST 2001 I heard an interview Bob Costas did with Foreman. George said that Ali was the better fighter that night. He told Costas that he was overconfident and it was his mental state that lost the fight---interestingly, he also told Costas that if there had been a rematch a few months later, he probably would have lost again, because his attitude and approach handn't changed at that point. He was very complimentary of Ali. As for a fast count---maybe it was, as Foreman seemed to stumble to his feet between 9 and 10---but he was totally out and Ali was on fire. The fight would have ended shortly thereafter, no doubt about it. George had nothing left. In fact, his punches had deteriorated to nothing but pats after the 6th round. Jerry Quarry lost to some of the greatest fighters in history, and his losses are on those highlight reels---which is why uninformed armchair fans spew that nonsense about "the guy that got knocked out all the time." When someone views JERRRY'S highlight reel---the good rounds against Frazier, the defeats over Lyle, Spencer, Shavers, etc.---the courageous performances he's famous for---suddenly they know how great a figher he was. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 19:59:59 PST 2001 Kent you are right on. So many people judge fighters by what they remember or see on classic sports. Somebody I was talking to asked me "Isn't he the guy that got knocked out all the time." I asked him if he remembered Earnie Shavers and the guy said hell ya, that guy could punch. I slipped in Quarry vs Shavers and about 3 minutes later my buddy said "Quarry did that to Shavers?" Then I showed my friend Jerry's record and how he beat Lyle and Patterson and other decent guys. He said "I guess I didn't remember or know all that." There are fringe fans everywhere that remember little of the true accomplishments of many contenders. They are what made Ali and Frazier so special, because if you beat Quarry you must have been something special all right. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Dec 2 15:20:52 PST 2001 I have always thought that Ali also got into the head of Jerry in their second fight. The turning point was near the end of the second round when Jerry landed a hard left/right combination to the head of Ali. Ali then pretends to wobble and play acts, scornful of Jerry's punches. I am sure that he probably had some "trash talk" thrown in there too such as, "is that as hard as you can punch? My grandma hits harder than that!" Ali's clowning was so obvious that the audience broke into laughter. So instead of gaining an advantage by landing a good combination, the fire in Jerry's attacks seemed gone after this second round. From the third round to near the end of the sixth round in which Ali turned up the pace to try to get Jerry out of there and Jerry fought back hard like the real Jerry Quarry, Jerry plodded after Ali throwing half hearted punches one or two at a time and in the meantime, he absorbed dozens of Ali jabs and rights. A lot of people have said that watching Mike get brutally knocked out by Bob Foster on the same card had something to do with Jerry's lackluster performance and there may be some truth to his added with my idea of Ali getting into his head. But before I get critized again for making excuses for Jerry losing to Ali, I would like to say that Ali was the better fighter and Jerry's counter punching style just didn't match up to Ali well and he probably would have lost to Ali anyway. I would have just liked to see Jerry fight hard even if he lost. It bothers me that TV channels like ESPN usually only show this second fight with Ali and people think Jerry fought like that all of time when in reality it was the worst performances of his career and he fought much better, even in other losing efforts. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Sun Dec 2 07:21:27 PST 2001 I also remember George saying he was drugged well after he lost the title. The ropes were loose, the count was fast etc... In a recent interview however, he said he "lost to a better man". I don't know if it's blasphamy to speak badly of Ali. He had some bad fights. But against George he took some of the hardest shots I've ever seen and not go down. It always amazes me when I watch a Foreman fight he hit so hard he moves people off their feet, and Ali was no exception. But, it wasn't his body that kept him up, it was his will. Also, Geroge was never known to have great endurence and Ali knew that. After George would land a punch, Ali would ask him "is that all you got George". Foreman said he remembers thinking "yep, that's about it." I guess after you knock out Joe Fraizer and Ken Norton and this old guy is still standing there mocking your punching power, you would think something was up. George was getting up at the count of nine, even if he had beaten the count, he was finished, he had nothing left. Ali would have won. His will was was too great. It's interesting how a fighters state of mind can win or loose a fight for him. Foreman questions this greatest asset against Ali and looses. Ali taunts Joe Frazier saying "your in here with God man" and Frazier comes back with "if your God your in the wrong place tonight" and wins. Ali was a master of his mind and in most cases the minds of the people he defeted. Ali was the greatest heavyweight in history. Period. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Nov 30 14:40:11 PST 2001 Kent, I'll try to find the interviews..I have them somewhere..when I get back I'll mail you. Bye for now..Evren Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Fri Nov 30 12:43:37 PST 2001 Mark and Evren, George Foreman has admitted that it was just sour grapes concerning him being drugged for the Ali fight. He now says he lost fair and square. Evren; I don't know where you have heard, except right after the fight, where George says anything but he lost, pure and simple. Joe Krause sadmspats@YAHOO.COM Fri Nov 30 12:21:32 PST 2001 Drugged before Ali and found the lord after Young. Make no mistake he lost those fights on merit and merit alone. He is one of my favorites of all time, but excuses taint Ali's legacy throughout his career. Ali was magic plain and simple Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Nov 30 10:10:00 PST 2001 Having see countless interviews in the last 15 years with George Foreman it appears to me that George does still believe he was drugged as he has mentioned it once or twice. But recently, however, I have found he is 'covering himself up' by saying that he thought of any excuses he could at the time of the fight..i.e - fast count..drugged water,loose ropes, drugged food, witchcraft etc.etc..anything but that he lost fair and square.Nowadays it is Blasphemy almost to say anything that may be detremental to Ali as that would reflect badly upon oneself, so maybe George does'nt want to persist in excuses as it puts him in the 'sore loser' category. I feel someone with as much pride as Foreman would not have admitted at the time to losing to a better fighter on the night so he did look for escuses and he seemed to have convinced himself of the druuged water. I dont think the referee counted to eight..I recall Zack Clayton counting 9 then..out ! As he did in Quarry vs Chuvalo. I remember the commentator counting George out at eight as he seemed to lose the count midway through. So to clarify this as it is a little confusing I think..After the fight Foreman believed he was drugged..years later in early comeback stages he mentioned this occasionally so clearly believed it then.As people became tired of the excuses he stopped mentioning it and joked at himself by saying 'I came up with many excuses at the time'. But..I believe he still does believe he was drugged..just never mentions it anymore...Evren Mark Sargeant lpu00mts@reading.ac.uk Fri Nov 30 06:57:50 PST 2001 There has been an interesting discussion on the Frazier website concerning the controversies surrounding the Ali-Foreman fight. What surprises me is that I have heard very few people query the decision to count Foreman out when he was clearly up at the count of 8. Being down would not automatically mean out as he proved against Ron Lyle. There is also confusion over whether Foreman was drugged-does anybody know if he still maintains this? Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Fri Nov 30 06:31:03 PST 2001 Spencer would get steam rolled by Tyson. A straight-ahead guy without a big punch, bad combo to fight Tyson with. Spencer has always been little overrated in my book. He beat a mentally frazzled Ernie Terrell (post Ali) to move high in the rankings, but I am not overally impressed with his record or skills. He lost twice to Big Train Lincoln in his "prime" and also lost to Bill McMurray. Jerry certainly should have beaten Thad, and did so quite easily. Tyson in 2 round KO. I have never seen Farr fight, I know he was like 100-30 with 30 knockouts approx. He beat shop-worn Max Baer and went the distance with Louis in Louis' prime. He also beat Tommy Loughran and some other fringe contenders. He is probably the most obscure of the 64 guys in this tournament. I pick Williams to win a decision in 12 competitive rounds on conjecture alone. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Thu Nov 29 20:21:10 PST 2001 Biorhythms are well known by many athletes and sometimes they do schedule events around these charts. I remember World-International Boxing did a feature on this back in the late 70's. Tyson in 3-4 rounds over Spencer and "The Truth" Williams a winner by unanimous decision. charles anderson ctjjandfam@aol.com Thu Nov 29 15:48:16 PST 2001 i remember now reading about jerry's thoughts about bio-rythms in one the many boxing magazines i subsribed to back then. couldn't wait to get them waiting to see if jerry would be in them. have not looked at one in over 20 years. wished i still had my old ones. James Quarry TJQF Wed Nov 28 17:56:58 PST 2001 I don'T know if this means anything to anyone. Has anyone heard of Bio-Rythums. If you know what they are then you will understand when I say, the night Jerry fought frazier the first time. Jerry was on a triple critical. Meaning in three catagories mentally, physically and emotionally Jerry was on his worst day in the cycle. Had I known about bio-rythums then, I would have tried to postpone the fight. Everything goes wrong on a day like that. He was prone to be in an accident. You can buy a book about it. Then check out what I really mean by all this. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Wed Nov 28 17:50:05 PST 2001 Evren, Kent hit the nail on the head. I remember watching the young Tyson and thinking to myself this guy is going to be great for a long time, then being disapointed how his personal life progressed, and ruined himself as an athlete to admire. I guess I still have some hope for the guy. Your right about Lewis also. As I said before, this guy is a top ten all time heavyweight champion who has'nt involved himself in any of the nonsense alot todays athletes do. A true champ. I still think Lewis will stop Tyson. Anyway, Tyson KO's Spencer in one. Farr takes a dull 12 round D over Williams. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Wed Nov 28 16:46:00 PST 2001 I pick Mike Tyson to win by fifth round knockout over Spencer and Carl Williams to win by decision over Farr. charles anderson ctjjandfam@aol.com Wed Nov 28 16:37:48 PST 2001 jerry fought joe alexander as a tune up for frazier 2. did you detect jerry maybe had overtrained, because he did not appear to be very sharp in either of these fights. what was jerry's thoughts after the alexander fight? Evren Evren@btinternet.com Wed Nov 28 11:23:51 PST 2001 Ali and Liston go through easy...next round.Thad Spencer takes on Mike Tyson and in the second bout Tommy Farr meets Carl Williams..this will be the last draw for a while as I am away in India for a couple of weeks - will be back on the 17th Dec...Best Wishes Evren. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Mon Nov 26 15:20:56 PST 2001 I think there is always a tendency to root for the former champion trying to make it back..we have all done it I'm sure...I wanted Holmes to beat Tyson when they fought..Tyson had'nt done much wrong up to that point..I guess we'll never understand....ourselves !!!! Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Mon Nov 26 12:17:02 PST 2001 Sorry to dispappoint you Evren, but I would also like to see Tyson defeat Lewis. Maybe it has to do with something about seeing if he can fullfil potential that he seemed to have screwed up with his checkered personal problems or maybe we tend to root for our countrymen. I am not sure which. You are right that Lewis seems to be the one we should root for as he has always been on the right side of the law and he shows class and dignity in a sports world severely lacking of it. I am not sure how to answer this. RICHARD PERRY rjperryautos@hot mail.com Mon Nov 26 09:26:05 PST 2001 Mr. James Quarry, I was supprised to see your son "Eric" and my video on your web page..this is a true honor i will never forget.. I collected boxing videos many years before I met your son and came to know the family..and 1 of Mikes with Foster,and and Jerrys with Ali,Lyle,Shavers..Jerry and Mike were always on my list of the top ten.... I belive it was Gil Clancy..who said at the world Boxing Hall of Fame said" Jerry Quarry and Armondo Muniz were the 2 best fighters to never become World Champions. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Mon Nov 26 02:52:57 PST 2001 That's an interesting comment Bob..why would you want Tyson to win. Is it because he is American. Lewis has never done a thing wrong and has always held his dignity in public and has never broke the Law. He is a consumate proffessional and I hope the good guy wins for once.... Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Sun Nov 25 16:57:29 PST 2001 Sorry I missed the Frazier,Norton fights. Ali wins this one in the eighth round. Snipes gets in a a few body shots but he's fighting a prime Ali. What else can you say. Liston jabs "Big" John's head off. Liston in five. Tate is bigger but so slow. His face is a mess after five and the ref stops it. Angelo, Tyson may very well take out Lewis, to tell you the truth, I'd like to see him win. I think it all depends on which Mike shows up, and maybe, which Lewis shows up. I hope we find out in March or April. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Nov 25 15:10:11 PST 2001 Liston overwhelmes Tate and stops him in the 3rd round with a left hook. Ali wins every round and destroys Snipes in the 5th with a 7 punch combination. On to bigger and better things for these guys! Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Nov 25 10:12:31 PST 2001 I pick Ali to stop Snipes in the seventh round and Liston to also stop Tate in the seventh round. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Sat Nov 24 21:49:51 PST 2001 Ali and Liston advance. Ali in his prime would frustrate Snipes and ultimately score a TKO. He might toy with Snipes for a couple rounds and even give away a round or two, but once on track, with his mind in the fight, he would outbox Snipes and dance circles around him, probably finishing him up by the middle rounds. Liston would ice Tate relatively early. If Liston came out firing, backing Tate up, he might win with a frightening KO. Tate would have to circle Liston and backpeddle---but I think a well oiled Liston would cut the ring off and take Tate out in two rounds. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Nov 23 15:05:20 PST 2001 Mathis and Witherspoon are out - A couple of this sites favourites are through..Frazier and Norton. In the next round we see Renaldo Snipes take on the one and only Muhammad Ali and in the second match we have Sonny Liston vs 'Big' John Tate..results by monday please...Evren Evren Evren@btinternet.com Thu Nov 22 14:53:26 PST 2001 I believe Mathis would surprise a lot of people by taking the early rounds and have a decent lead going into the latter stages 'till Norton accelerates and Mathis tires enabaling Ken to secure an eleventh round TKO. Frazier vs Witherspoon is a dream match with the difference being in that Tim would'nt have the footwork to move out of the way of Frazier who would grind him in 9 very exciting rounds. Mr. Jimmy boxerquarry@netscape.net Thu Nov 22 05:20:53 PST 2001 When Jerry and I were kids we used to fight over the pumkin pie. Finally mom would make one for me and one for Jerry. That's where I am this morning. Atascadero, Calif. For this Thanksgiving. So I'm on line via lap top. Have a good holiday season to all our family and friends. Jerry is in all our hearts. Sabrina Quarry-Porter sabrinalporter@aol.com Thu Nov 22 03:57:44 PST 2001 I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING...WE LOVE AND MISS YOU UNCLE JERRY....I KNOW YOU ARE WITH US ON THIS DAY AND ALWAYS... Sonia Hathaway (Quarry) SHath2163@aol.com Wed Nov 21 22:06:33 PST 2001 HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ONE AND ALL! WE LOVE & MISS YOU UNCLE JERRY! Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Wed Nov 21 04:50:18 PST 2001 Frazier and Norton (good friends) would advance. Norton by a mid-late round TKO over Mathis and Frazier with a decision win over Witherspoon. People forget how good Terrible Tim Witherspoon COULD HAVE been. Don King might have had a hand in stalling Witherspoon's career by keeping him on the outside looking in, on big fights. But Frazier's heart would carry him to a victory. Tyson will KO Lewis. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Wed Nov 21 01:34:38 PST 2001 Terry: you need to revote as we are voting on Norton vs. Buster Mathis, not Buster Douglas. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Tue Nov 20 18:36:24 PST 2001 In war of attrition, Smokin Joe would wear down Witherspoon by the 7th round and win by knockout. Ken Norton would stop Buster Mathis in round seven after losing the first three rounds to Mathis' boxing skill. Terry fitefan Tue Nov 20 18:09:29 PST 2001 I'll pick Frazier in a walk over 'Spoon' & Norton handily outpoints Douglas. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 15:24:18 PST 2001 Frazier would lose the first round, but start to chop Witherspoon down in the second. By the third round Witherspoon is in full retreat and the referee stops it after he fails to answer the 4th round bell. Frazier by TKO. Mathis was taylor made for Norton. A dancer without a huge punch that would allow Norton to be the aggressor. Late in the fight in the 11th round after being up about 7-3 Norton would land a torrid 4 punch combo that would knock Mathis down and out. Norton by KO in 11th. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Tue Nov 20 13:11:33 PST 2001 That's Williams through by virtue of a Knockout over Mad Max and in a split decision La Starza goes through (3 votes to 2). Next round - Smokin' Joe Frazier takes on 'Terrible' Tim Witherspoon and in the second bout of the night Ken Norton meets Buster Mathis Snr - results by Friday. IKE FLUELLEN ifluellen@yahoo.com Tue Nov 20 10:22:22 PST 2001 This is a great web-site. I never knew it existed. Cleveland Williams was a great fighter and a terrific person.This page sure brings back some memories. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Mon Nov 19 08:43:27 PST 2001 Tyson does have the punch but, don't forget the quickness. If Mike is in shape,220-225 he can beat anybody. The big question mark is his mental condition. He can fall apart when he's hurt. Remember, he has never gotten off the canvas to win a fight. When he's down he's finished. Lewis is a top ten all time great Heavyweight, though he's bigger than Mike, Tyson is not bothered by size, it's boxing skill he has problems with. I'd like to see this fight. I beleive Lewis would knock him out in 7 or 8 rounds. Kent oriononside@aol.com Sun Nov 18 16:27:42 PST 2001 Mr. Jimmy and Carl: I will say that this site is also in the top 25 boxing websites. How could it not be? I agree that Joe Krause's website is one of the best I have seen. A little credit where credit is due. When Jonathan W. complimented me on coming up with information fast about Duane Bobick, I did what I often do, and that is I looked up his record on a link from Joe's site. On another note: well folks it looks like we have Lennox Lewis as heavyweight champion again. There is now talk of a Lewis verses Tyson fight and my opionon on this is I pick Lewis by a decision if Tyson doesn't take at least two or three tune up fights to get rid of some of the ring rust he has accmulated. Tyson has just not been active enough, so this gives the edge to Lewis. Of course, there is always that Tyson punch. That's what makes his fights so unpredictable. Any opionons on a Lewis/Tyson match up? jonathan White Hurricane861@hotmail.com Sun Nov 18 13:07:11 PST 2001 It is my opinion that although Cooney was a bit overhyped, he still was, an exceptional fighter. Anyone who could KO A guy as tough as Ken Norton in one round, 58 seconds, has to be one hell of a puncher...the only other fighter that KO'd Norton so brutally was the infamous power puncher Earnie Shavers, and he was in a league all his own. Also, Earnie Shavers caught him aroudn the same time, and no one belittles that victory.Ron Lyle was damn good too, another KO1 there. and Ron Lyle could punch with the best of them. Cooney also held his own against Larry Holmes, lasting thirteen rounds before being stopped, and you kow he would have continued had Valle not wisely forced Lane to stop the bout. He did better against Holmes than say, Lean Spinks(KOby3) did. Or Earnie Shavers did in thier second fight(TKOby11)or even Muhammad Ali did against him.((11th round stoppage, although to be fair, Ali had no business in the ring with anybody, the least of which being Larry Holmes) and as for his loss to Michael spinks, think about how he was deep in a cocaine addiction at the time, and its pretty obvious why his performance was so lame. goerge Foreman? Well, gerry rocked his world with a big left in the first round that Foreman later said was one of the only punches he ever took that hurt him bad enough that he didnt even feel it. also, Cooney is a fine human being. His F.I.S.T. organization lets retired pugs find jobs and get training to do those jobs well. Hes a humanitarian, and a likable character. I repect Gerry Cooney, and stii base my left hook in his. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Nov 18 08:13:45 PST 2001 Thanks James, the webpage has given me a chance to talk to many fans of the best era in boxing history. Time has been tight lately and I haven't had a chance to much with it, but I will in the future. The page is www.geocities.com/sadmspats/ Carl Weingarten TJQF Sat Nov 17 06:53:40 PST 2001 As James mentioned, his son Eric boxed in a benefit event recently. Soon the home page will feature info and photos from the match. In the mean time, here's a sneak preview of the video. As with the other clips on the web site, you'll need the RealPlayer installed on your computer, and at least a 56k connection. Click HERE for the video. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Sat Nov 17 05:53:40 PST 2001 Well let's also face the fact that though guys like Norton and Jimmy Young were past their primes when Cooney beat them, they were by no means pushovers. Norton in his 30's was still very dangerous and Young was still clever and tactical. These guys still could have taken most of the fighters in the world---so let's not make it seem as though beating them wasn't any type of accomplishment. Mr. Jimmy boxerquarry Fri Nov 16 16:11:09 PST 2001 Bobick was the trial horse of a fighter. You had to beat him or his class of fighter to make it to the top 10. James Quarry TJQF Fri Nov 16 16:09:11 PST 2001 Joe, you are in the top 25, in my book. Category, Boxing Web Pages. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Fri Nov 16 06:28:00 PST 2001 Bobick surely should be respected. He was a decent fighter that was able to beat some other decent fighters. He was not a great fighter and was probably never better then #25 or so in the world. I would like to be #25 in the world in anything. Bobick was. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Thu Nov 15 19:03:54 PST 2001 It is agreed that Duane Bobick was not a great fighter but I do believe a good one. The main point about me taking up for him is him being made fun of. The people that laugh at the sound of his name and put down a young white fighter, our young Mr. Jonathan White, by calling him Bobick, could only hope to have a succesful amatuer career and a top 10 or at least top 20 ranking as a pro. A lot of people talk a lot better of a game than they have ever fought, myself included. All I am saying is Bobick deserves to be respected, nothing less and nothing more. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 15 12:10:45 PST 2001 ONE MORE THING ON BOBICK AND I WILL GET OFF THE SUBJECT,(HOPEFULLY FOREVER). ITS REALLY SOMETHING HOW FIGHTER'S LIKE BOBICK,COONEY AND EVEN JOE BUGNER CAN ATTAIN A WORLD TOP TEN RATING WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEATING ONE, AND OUR JERRY WAS NEVER EVER GIVEN ANY FAVORTISM AS FAR AS RATINGS WERE CONCERNED(HE EARNED THEM ALL)THEY GAVE LEOTIS MARTIN #1 RATING IN 7O' AND WERE RELUCTANT TO GIVE JERR ONE (AND THEY FINALLY DID).I HAVE RESEARCHED A LOT. QUARRY BEAT 8 TOP TENER'S IN HIS TIME, PATTERSON#5, SPENCER#2, MATHIS#6, FOSTER#1, BODELL#8, MIDDLETON#7, LYLE#3, SHAVERS#6, IN WHICH ONLY EARNIE AND LYLE PROGRESSED AFTER A QUARRY BEATING. EVEN NAT FLEICHER REFUSED TO PUT JERRY IN THE RING MAGAZINES TOP TEN IN 1967 UNTIL HIS DRAW WITH THEN 3RD RANKED FLOYD PATTERSON. ray joekevin@cs.com Thu Nov 15 08:26:30 PST 2001 Hi friends, Angelo, thanks for validating my point (although, I am not sure if that was your intention). Cooney was a decent fighter, but certainly not very good fighter. I mean you admit his record was padded with victories over club fighters and former greats. He never managed to beat a genuine contender. Bobick was a "top 15 or 20 for a year or two", is that really remarkable. Given his circumstances one would expect at the very minimum he would be in the "top 15 or 20 for a year or two." One more point to look at, those ratings in the middle to late 70's were not legitimate. Remember Don Kings USA Championship Tournament, it was determine by an investigation that the ring ranking of many of the fighter's in that Tournament were there as result of payoffs to Johnny Ort editor of Ring Magazine and the man responsible for Ring Magazine's ratings. Their ratings were so bogus Marvin Hagler was not even selected for the Tournament. If the rankings of the "Bible Of Boxing" were corrupt I really have to question the ratings of other so called organizations. The point being Cooney and Bobick were given a lot of credit for potential they never reached, and goals never attained. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 18:30:53 PST 2001 Knockout win for Cleveland Williams and close decision to Sharkey. I might have been thinking of Young Sanford (who Bobick beat) and recalled Jody Ballard. No, Bobick wasn't a great fighter, but if he was top 15 or 20 for a year or two, that's still remarkable. And Cooney had a great punch---lots of guys on their way up pad their record against club fighters and former greats---don't act like Cooney was the only one. Cooney lasted 13 rounds with Holmes and managed to hold his own for a few of them. Larry Holmes was a great champion who made lots of top 10 fighters look worse than Cooney. In fact, if anything, because Cooney is remembered for losses in his important fights, I think people have a habit to not give him ENOUGH credit---he was decent, a very good heavyweight in his day. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Wed Nov 14 17:50:40 PST 2001 I think Williams would have beaten Bear. Williams was a greate puncher and better boxer, although Bear showed his real potential vs. Max Schmeling, and was faster than Williams and could take a whollop too. But, Williams in 2. Sharkey-LaStarza. This one could go either way. Both men were great boxers, Sharkey maybe an edge in speed. I'll give a 12 round D to Sharkey. Hey Jonathan, keep working on your foot work. For inspiration, try to find some photos of Rocky Marciano. Check out his thighs! Also, Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson. Both have huge thick "treetrunk" legs. It all came togehter for them. If you work at it, it will for you too. Good luck! Jonathan White hurricane861@hotmail.com Wed Nov 14 14:48:08 PST 2001 Hey everyone. I thought I'd share a story that just came together last night. when I was just starting out, my first sparring session was with a guy who had a big size advantage on me. not being used to being hit, and my reflexes no being so good, I was getting so beaten up that my trainer called it and dragged me out. i cried from the shame of it. But just a week ago, that guy, who had been MIA from training for about six months, came back. his stamina diminished and his weight ballooned. Whereas I'd been training that whole time, and sharpening my skills. when I got back in the ring to move around with him a bit, I was shocked just how much his skills had diminished. If I threw a jab all night that didnt land right on the button, I sure didnt know it. I kept putting down his straight shots and ducking easily under his "Western Union" punches. by the end of the third of four rounds, he was exhausted, and I couldnt help but pity him, even if he was'nt the nicet guy who had made sure to rub it in my face when he mopped the floor with me way back when. in the middle of the fourth round, I wasnt putting any real power behind my shots, it was after all, sparring. Suddenly my trainer is yelling for me to get busy. I shrugged and went after him, smacking his defensive jabs down and peppering his head and body with combinations. then my trainer, who was not fond at all of the man, told me to knock him down, so disgusted he was with his performance. i didnt intend to, but I guess Joe saying that psyched him out, I threw a right hand that landed high on his head and he staggered to a knee. After the bell rung, Joe rustled my headgear, and commenced unstrapping my gloves while he preached to my sparring partner, telling him that if he didnt start working harder, he was gonna throw him out. I guess the point of the story is that size doesnt matter all that much. Its who prepares better that becomes the better fighter. And also, I wanted to brag. Cause that first sparring session haunted me for the longest time. And now, Im free of it. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Wed Nov 14 11:16:33 PST 2001 Results on the fights before I go..La Starza is my pick on points after running away in the last few rounds to get a split decision...In the next a real war that goes back and forth but it is Baer who crumbles after taking a savage pounding on the ropes from the Cat's awesome power..Wow !Williams in five. Next tuesday for the next two bouts... Jonathan White hurricane861@hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 14:53:18 PST 2001 Hey everyone, I wanted to ask a question of any present/past fighters out there. I am a serious amateur fighter, under an excellent coach, who trains very hard. I love the game, Its one of the most important things in my life. I have a good amount of talent, As well as a killer right hand. But my question is about footspeed. My footspeed is in need of serious improvement. I run sprints, and gallop around the ring at my gym as fast as I can, but my speed doesnt seem to increase. I have an idea it might be due to my legs. My legs are very thick, and solid like treetrunks. Although they give me alot of torque for my power shots, Im worried that they might have an effect on my footwork. I dont think its a natural slowness, I have above average handspeed and a quick jab that can hurt you. I'm wondering if you guys have any techniques, like stretches or types of sprints or the like. Thanks for your time, and if anyone is around Bridgeport, CT come December, the Police activies league gym which I fight out of should be putting on a boxing show around Christmas. Kent oriononside@aol.com Mon Nov 12 16:50:02 PST 2001 I am picking La Starza by close decision over Sharkey and in a wild one, Max Baer by 6th round knockout over C. Williams Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 16:10:08 PST 2001 Max Baer was a good fighter, but I really think Cleve would have taken him out. Williams was avoided like the plague in his prime by everyone but Liston. Williams would stun Baer and knocked him out with a hook in the 4th round. La Starza was top shelf all the way. He is the one guy who had a good claim that he beat Marciano. I think he would have danced his way to a decisive decison by 3 or 4 points per scorecard. James Quarry boxerquarry@netscape.net Mon Nov 12 13:07:22 PST 2001 We gave permission for the picture in Pulp Fiction. We limited how they could use the picture. I never had a conversation about Sonny Liston with Jerry. I do remember Jerry being offerered a fight with Liston. There is a Jimmy and Jerry Ellis. They are brothers. We felt it strange when we met when Jerry fought Jimmy. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Mon Nov 12 12:18:06 PST 2001 I would pick Holyfield to stop Mildenberger some way late in the fight and Folley to outsmart Spinks for a unanimous decision...the next round will be the last for a while as I am away.....1st fight :-Cleve Williams vs Max Baer (wow) and secondly - Roland La Starza vs Jack Sharkey..speak soon..Kent...is it okay for the recordings...- mail me..thanks..Evren ben swaab ben.swaab@norstrom.com Mon Nov 12 12:07:00 PST 2001 Did anyone notice that in the movie Pulp Fiction there was a picture of Jerry on the wall. It was in the scene when Bruce Willis went back to his apartment to get his watch, on the wall is a picture of Jerry in front of the cover of 1968 Ring Magazine. I think it was meant to be Bruce Willis, I have that same Magazine. The picture of Jerry on the cover might of been done by Leroy Neiman the artist. James do you remember when promoters were trying to set up a fight with Jerry against Sonny Liston, did Jerry ever meet Sonny and if he did what did he think of him? I was watchting a tape of the Jimmy Ellis vs Floyd Patterson fight in 1968 I had to laugh, Howard Cosell kept calling Jimmy Ellis Jerry Ellis. You know he was think of Jerry Quarry. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Mon Nov 12 11:53:27 PST 2001 ANGELO: NO BOBICK NEVER FOUGHT JODY BALLARD, YOU COULD LOOK UP HIS AND OTHER HEAVIES RECORDS THRU JERRY QUARRY FOUNDATION CALLED "70'S HEAVYWEIGHTS". BOBICK BUILT HIS RECORD CAREFULLY ON CLUB FIGHTER'S AND HAS BEENS. TO 38-0 32 KO'S VERY FORTUNATE TO EVEN BEAT BRITAIN'S BUNNY JOHNSON, I HAD HIS VEGAS WIN OVER YOUNG SANFORD 10 ROUNDS 6 TO 4 BOBICK. AND HE TASTED A VERY HARD RIGHT FROM CHUCK WEPNER, BEFORE STOPPING HIM WITH A BODY PUNCH (NO KNOCKDOWNS). HE WAS A TOP 15 TO 20 HEAVWEIGHT, WHO NEVER OFFICIALLY BEAT A TOP TEN FIGHTER. ALTHOUGH I DO THANK JODY BALLARD DID HOLD A WIN OVER RODNEY BOBICK. James Quarry TJQF Mon Nov 12 08:41:53 PST 2001 My PC at home office is down again. I was trying to reinstall windows 95. it is now locked up again. Some time in the next week I'll get it fixed. In the mean time I'll work with my lap top. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Nov 11 22:41:24 PST 2001 Jonanthan: You have no need to apologize for the Bobick comment as you were passing on informantion that other boxers, probably black and other minorities, were teasing you, a white fighter, by calling you Bobick. I just wanted to set the record straight about him because so many people, whites included, make him the "butt" of their jokes. I will repeat my challenge to them, when they make the United States olympic team and defeat fighters of the quality of Larry Holmes and Teofelio Stevenson in the amatuers (I had forgotten that Bobick had beaten Stevenson before the olympics), and when they have a pro record at least as good as his was, then they can talk. Bobick may have not been a great professional and he was a flawed fighter, with a "glass jaw" and I will mention here, not very good defensive skills, he was still a world class main event pro and it takes talent, work, and determination to even make it that far. He deserves our respect for trying to do something that most of us only dream of. Ray joekevin@cs.com Sun Nov 11 20:12:21 PST 2001 Hi friends, my feelings about Bobick and Cooney. Bobick was a complete washout as a pro. Maybe as an amateur he was vey good, but as a pro he was no better than a club fighter. This is not a reflection of him as a person it is as a fighter. Cooney is another fighter who is vastly overrated. The few name opponents that he defeated were washed up fighters, long past their primes, Jimmy Young, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle... Cooney was stopped by Holmes, Knocked out by a man over 40 years old, and knocked by a lightheavyweight. Let's be real the longer Cooney is away from the ring the better he gets. Jerry Quarry was a legitimate contender and a very good fighter, with a little luck he could have been champion. Cooney and Bobick had a lot of luck because they have people believing that they were very good fighters. George Chuvalo now he was a legitimate contender and he beat some good fighters in their heydays. That is why it saddens me when people lump Quarry and Chuvalo with the likes of Cooney and Bobick. Johnny Q JohnQW@yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 19:46:24 PST 2001 Long as we're giving Bobick some dues, not only did he defeat Holmes in the Olympic trials, but one of the reasons his defeat by Stevenson was a surprise was because Bobick had beaten Stevenson a year or two earlier in international competition. Bobick's loss to Norton was a career ender more for publicity reasons than physical talent. Had be been a minority, it would have been no big deal, and he might have worked his way up again. Was Shavers finished after the Quarry fight? Unfortunately the racist slamming the press gave him after the Norton ruined him as a potential draw. Bobick was a very good fighter, with a stellar amateur record. He has a great record as a pro, and above all, was smart enough to quit when it was time. I hope he's living well. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 18:29:01 PST 2001 Didn't Bobick also defeat Jody Ballard by KO? Ballard wasn't a great fighter, but he was game and stood in with some of the best talent of the era. I'd take Spinks by knockout in a slugfest and Holyfield by knockout in a fairly easy fight. Jonathan White hurricane861@hotmail.com Sun Nov 11 16:59:10 PST 2001 First off, I wanted to apologize for the bobick Comment. I suppose I was misinformed about him. And I also wanted to thank you for enlightening me, Mr. Appel. you obviously have a vast knowledge of the fight game. I was impressed you could come upwith the Bobick information on the spot. If I have a question, I know where to go. thanks again. joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Nov 11 13:31:05 PST 2001 Holyfield would be able to out-muscle Mildenberger and would win by 6th round KO. Folley would out-slick Spinks until Leon was in desperation mode. Then Folley would knock Leon down late before winning a good decision. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@yAHOO.COM Sun Nov 11 12:26:25 PST 2001 KENT:(CURLY,OF OUR FEARLESS LEADERS CLUB!)I THINK YUR LETTER TO JONATHAN ON DUANE BOBICK,WAS WELL WRITTEN AND EXTREMLY TRUE, AS FAR AS "RING MAGAZINE" WOULD BE CONCERNED WAS A CLASS III,HEAVYWEIGHT, WHICH IS JUST USUALLY OUTSIDE THEY TOP TEN BUT WORLD CLASS FOR SURE,and WAS RATED #4 IN THE WORLD BEFORE HIS WIPEOUT VS KENNY NORTON IN 77'.SAN DIEGO PROMOTER MICKEY DAVIES WANTED QUARRY-BOBICK,AND I ALWAYS WONDERED, JERRY OBVIOUSLY MORE WORLD CLASS HEAVY,WOULD KAYO BOBICK OR WOULD YOUTH BE SERVED ON BOBICK'S PART (SAY LOU NOVA-MAX BAER SCENERIO). I ASKED MIKE QUARRY AND HE SAID JERRY FOR SURE, YOU ARE RIGHT KENT, NOT NEAR AS GOOD AS HIS RECORD, BUT A CLASS ACT AS WELL-DUANE BOBICK. P.S. DUANE NEVER BEAT A TOP TEN CURRENT FIGHTER,HIS BEST WINS WERE YOUNG SANFORD HOUPE,SCOTT LEDOUX (TWICE) BUNNY JOHNSON,CHUCK WEPNER,LARRY MIDDLETON,RANDY NEUMANN AND PEDRO AGOSTO, HE WAS STOPPED ON A CUT VS GEORGE CHAPLIN HIS LAST BOUT. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Nov 11 08:23:06 PST 2001 Sorry folks about posting so many times in a row but I forgot to give my results for the tournament. I pick Holyfield by 9th round kayo over Mildenberger and Folly by decision over Leon Spinks. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Nov 11 08:14:37 PST 2001 Thanks Mr. Jimmy, that is close enough for my purposes regarding the body cast. After I read the post that says Bentham cut Jerry before the third round, I went and watched the third round a couple of times on my VCR and I didn't notice any bleeding until near the end of the round where Jerry is charging into Ali and he is hit by a punch and/or a clash of their heads. Also it seems that Jerry himself would have noticed he was cut in the corner and he would have told someone afterwards about it. Even if he told the people he confided in to keep quiet about it. Finally I don't see anyway that Jimmy standing five feet from him could have not noticed a cut had one occured earlier than towards the end of the third round. Mr. Jimmy tjqf Sun Nov 11 04:55:24 PST 2001 Jerry was in the body cast for about 2 months. I don't remember just how long. I'm also agreeing that Jerry was not cut in his corner. Kent oriononside@aol.com Sat Nov 10 14:35:00 PST 2001 Mr. Jimmy, you didn't answer my question about how long Jerry was in the body cast after the Ellis fight. I am working on an article that is not directly about Jerry but I make referrence to his broken back and while how long he was in the cast isn't completely crucial information, it would be helpful. thanks Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sat Nov 10 14:26:17 PST 2001 Jonathan: You would have a hard time picking a better hero than Jerry. You are right, he was one of the better fighters during a period of a lot of talent in the heavyweight division. I wouldn't be insulted by someone calling you Bobick. Duane Bobick was a good, strong fighter who punched hard. He had one very major flaw, and that is he couldn't take a punch very well. Bobick had a professional record of 48 wins, 4 losses, 42 by knockout. All four of his losses were by knockout. He also defeated Larry Holmes, future heavyweight champion of the world, in the amatuers and he represtented the United States in the Olympic games only to lose to Teofelio Stevenson of Cuba, one of the greatest amatuer fighters of all time, who was if I remember correctly, a four time Olympic gold medalist. I doubt if any of the fighters who laugh and make fun of Bobick could ever hope to defeat Bobick, a world class main event fighter and when one of them makes the United States Olympic team, than maybe they can talk a good game. Until they do, they shoudn't say anything about Bobick. Jonathan White hurricane861@hotmail.com Sat Nov 10 10:50:47 PST 2001 Hey everyone. Let me open up by saying that I'm a big fan of Jerry Quarry, even though I was'nt born yet during the generation. I'm actually an amateur fighter, and I first heard about Quarry when I was relatively new, after a sparring session when someone related my style to his. Being the only serious white fighter in my gym, I was a good target for hecklers. I was insulted when someone unfairly called me say, Duane Bobick, but after I did some research, I found out that they had complimented me when relating my style to Quarry's. Cause Quarry was not only a great white fighter, but also one of the greatest fighters of that era. I just wanted to say Jerry is my hero, and not simply because of our superficial similarities. I admire his heart and determination, not to mention his exceptional talents. God Bless you, Quarry family. Jerry's my inspiration. Jonathan White hurricane861@hotmail.com3 Sat Nov 10 10:50:39 PST 2001 Hey everyone. Let me open up by saying that I'm a big fan of Jerry Quarry, even though I was'nt born yet during the generation. I'm actually an amateur fighter, and I first heard about Quarry when I was relatively new, after a sparring session when someone related my style to his. Being the only serious white fighter in my gym, I was a good target for hecklers. I was insulted when someone unfairly called me say, Duane Bobick, but after I did some research, I found out that they had complimented me when relating my style to Quarry's. Cause Quarry was not only a great white fighter, but also one of the greatest fighters of that era. I just wanted to say Jerry is my hero, and not simply because of our superficial similarities. I admire his heart and determination, not to mention his exceptional talents. God Bless you, Quarry family. Jerry's my inspiration. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Sat Nov 10 05:55:00 PST 2001 Jerry was cut about 1:45-2:15 into the third round with an Ali right. There is no way Jerry could have been cut in the corner then fight almost one full round without bleeding. Ali new Jerry had scar tissue around his eyes, and,if you look at the fight you will see Ali cuffing and lacing Jerry. Ali would also twist his punches just as they hit. If Jerry was cut in the corner, even a light cut, the blood would be flowing after the first couple of jabs. Just my opinion. Mr. Jimmy tjqf Fri Nov 9 20:03:15 PST 2001 Ok here goes. Two weeks ago one of our oldest friends. he trained us when we were kids, told me that Jerry was cut in his corner in the first Ali fight. Two days later, it was repeated to me by Jerry's first wife Kathy. She said Teddy broke down and soke the words that he cut Jerry because of all the threats on his life if Ali lost. This is hard for me to believe, I worked the corner, how could this have happened and me not see it. I can pick out the point where Jerry starts bleeding and it's well into the 2nd minute of the 3rd round. How could a cut not bleed for two minutes, if Jerry was cut going into the 3rd. I will say this, I witnessed the Dr. stitching Jerry up and the cut was so clean and even. I've always felt that Jerry was cut by a head but and I can point it out. JQ TJQF Fri Nov 9 18:42:14 PST 2001 1st. Patterson James Quarry boxerquarry@netscape.net Fri Nov 9 18:40:45 PST 2001 Seems to me Teddy worked Jerry's corner in the first fight. Only as a cut man. I really not quite sure, I'll check it out and get back to you. It really amazes me that when fan talk about Jerry, they say how nice Jerry was to take time out for them. I remember a friend of our family Dale Smith was having dinner with Jerry at some restuarant and fans kept coming up to the table for Jerry's autograph. Dale asked Jerry, didn't that bother him with these people kept coming up to the table? Jerry replied, "It would bother me if they stopped" It made Jerry's life worthwhile to him! In the end, if someone recognized him, it really made his day. He would say, "I still got it" He loved being a "Hero" Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Fri Nov 9 18:08:28 PST 2001 I know, I know. Bad proof reading. Sorry Mr Folley wherever you are. Didn't Jerry wear white trunks vs Stanford Harris. Maybe not, it was a long time ago. This site brings back so many memories. I remember before the second Ali fight wanting Jerry to knock him out. Man Ali was so good. He gave it to you then just took it away. In the blink of an eye. Anyway thanks. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Fri Nov 9 18:07:26 PST 2001 I know, I know. Bad proof reading. Sorry Mr Folley wherever you are. Didn't Jerry wear white trunks vs Stanford Harris. Maybe not, it was a long time ago. This site brings back so many memories. I remember before the second Ali fight wanting Jerry to knock him out. Man Ali was so good. He gave it to you then just took it away. In the blink of an eye. Anyway thanks. Bob Bumbera renfbera@aol.com Fri Nov 9 17:38:24 PST 2001 Holyfield over Mildenberger in 7. Evander presses Karl every round with a good body attack,then combinations to the head. Mildenberger starts holding and wrestling in the 4th to keep Holifield off. A head butt by Holyfield opens a cut over Karls right eye. Evander is also warned for low blows. The ref stops it 2:08 of the 7th. Folly over Spinks. Leon comes out like a ball of fire but is quickly snuffed out by Folly's great boxing skill. Zora's pinpiont punching shakes Spinks up several times. Spinks goes down in the 8th, Zora plays it safe, boxing to a 12 round decision. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Fri Nov 9 11:52:53 PST 2001 James: I have heard that Jerry was in a body cast after the Ellis fight when the doctors discovered he had a broken back. How long was he in the cast? BEN SWAAB ben.swaab@nordstrom.com`` Fri Nov 9 11:49:26 PST 2001 James Q You can't tease us that way! Did it have to do with the cut that Jerry received in the Ali fight. I have another memory of Jerry, when I was 12, I lived in Seattle and Jerry was in there in late June 1970. He was there with Mike Quarry and George Foreman to see the George Chuvalo vs Charlie Reno fight, this was right after he stopped Mac Foster in 6th round. He was hoping to get a rematch with Chuvalo, if Chuvalo got passed Foreman in August of 1970. This was my first live boxing event, can you imagine to see all four top contenders! All of them were so nice and took there time to talk to a 12 year old kid, Jerry talked to me for about 5 minutes and answered every question. I remember telling him to keep on wearing the white trunks because I thought that might of brought him luck....come to think of it,it was the only time he wore white trunks in his career. James how long was Teddy Bentham Jerry trainer, and what kind of a relationship did they have togther. James if you get a chance email me your address and I'll send you some ties. James your doing a great job! It's always great to listen to some great storys. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Nov 9 10:58:34 PST 2001 That is Foreman and Dokes through...tonights two matches are - All time great Evander Holyfield vs Karl Mildenberger...second match - Zora Folley vs Leon Spinks - results by Monday.... James Quarry TJQF Thu Nov 8 18:26:10 PST 2001 I did not work Jerry's corner in the Frazier fight. Jerry was supposed to box Frazier for the first five rounds. That was the plan. However, at noon the days of the fight at a press conference, The Press called Jerry a coward by the way he fought Ellis. Jerry made up his mind to go after Frazier from the opening bell. Like Big George Foreman says, If Jerry would have fought Ellis like he did Frazier, things would have turned out a whole lot different. But, he didn't. Kent don't worry about it. It's cool. Now that all this has been brought up again. I do remember some complaints. To long ago to remember exactly. Jerry's first fight with Ali was the biggest event in boxing to that date. the only one bigger was the first Ali, Frazier. The return of the champ, Atlanta, Georga It was bigger than the Superbowl. Some day I'll tell the story about that night through my eyes. I worked the corner that night also. A big mystery has evolved. A rumor! Kent orion, etc. Thu Nov 8 17:40:27 PST 2001 Jimmy Q. and Ben: Wow! I didn't mean to stir up controversy regarding Mike's fight against Rossman. Someone had asked me a question and I didn't know the answer and I thought Jimmy might know something about it. I guess my question is, doesn't a corner inspect the gloves of an opponent prior to a bout? It seems that any improprieties would have been found during this inpection. Jimmy D: the one opponent I always wanted Jerry to get in the ring with was Bob Foster. Foster always had trouble when he stepped up a division against heayweights and I think it likely that Jerry wuuld have avenged Mike's knockout loss against Foster. BEN SWAAB ben.swaab@nordstrom .com Thu Nov 8 15:56:12 PST 2001 Jimmy, Mike Quarry told me about three years ago he felt that the Rossman camp had taken out some padding in the gloves. Just like Billy Collins fight against Luis Resto, he wanted to know if somthing still could be done about it, but this happen so long ago. I remember the fight, it was before the Norton vs Bobick in Madison Square Garden, the shots that Mike was taking were hard and hurting him everytime they landed. I often wondered myself because there first two fight were pretty even. I remember feeling so bad for him.... I thought he had a good chance of out boxing Rossman, Mike also said that Rossman was rude and cocky. But saying all that I don't think Mike Rossman had a ticker problem, I have the Rossman vs Braxton fight and Mike did hang in there, but Braxton was in his prime and Mike just coundn't take those hard shot to the temple. James Quarry were you in Jerrys corner for the 1rst Frazier fight,and was there a time in the corner when Teddy or your father asked him to boxed. Was that fight in your opinion bigger then the 1rst Ali fight.It would be great to get some insight on what was going on in the corner. I hope someday you write a book on Jerry's life and maybe approach HBO on his life story simaliar to Sonny Liston, I know that Larry Merchant was a fan of Jerry.I have a copy of the New York Post the day before the first Frazier fight and Larry Merchant wrote a positive article on Jerry. Front page of the Post in 69 of June was the death of Judy Garland. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Thu Nov 8 14:18:52 PST 2001 KENT: I HAVE NOT HEARD OF THEY TORN GLOVE MIKE QUARRY VS MIKE ROSSMAN III, I KNOW MIKE NIXON RECEIVED AN NO.# 14 world rating for beating Rossman although ko'd in a return at they DUNES HOTEL IN 'VEGAS, I KINDA THINK OLE ROSSMAN HAD SORT OF A TICKER PROBLEM, GALINDEZ II and BRAXTON COME TO MIND IF MIKE Q WAS A PUNCHER HE'D HAVE BEATEN ROSSMAN ALL 3, AND ROSMMAN DID HAVE LOADS OF TALENT THOUGH, AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED IT HAD HE EVER BEEN IN THE RING WITH JERRY HA HA , KNUCK KNUCK KNUCK! Bob Bumbera renfbera@AOL.com Wed Nov 7 17:10:14 PST 2001 Dokes KO's Bruno in the 8th round. Dokes is faster and a harder puncher, he also moves better than the stand up style of Bruno, though Bruno is good enough to last 8 rounds, the ref stops it after an unanswerd 5 punch combination. Foreman in 7. Foreman's body attack is brutal. toward the end or the 6th round, Big George'looping hooks are lifting the 207 pound Terrell off his feet. Terell takes the early rounds with a strong jab, but Foreman is just too strong, winning by TKO. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Wed Nov 7 16:16:03 PST 2001 I believe Foreman would have real trouble with the 'Octopus'. After dominating the early rounds, Foreman will begin to tire as Terrell fights back but a sudden punch will render Ernie senseless and George pounds on him 'till the referee halts the proceedings late in the 9th round. In the secound bout it would be a close one but Dokes in his prime would have a little too much quality in his work and edge out a unanimous decision over Bruno and sending him down in the last round...(sorry Frank !) James Quarry boxerquarry@netscape.net Wed Nov 7 11:33:37 PST 2001 I never heard anything about a cut or torn glove in the Rossman fight. I know that Mike never really forgave Jerry for stopping the fight. Michael pleaded with Jerry not to stop it. The cut was just to bad to let the fight to go on. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Wed Nov 7 05:46:18 PST 2001 Mr. Jimmy: Someone aaked me if I knew anything about your brother Mike claiming that Mike Rossman had a torn glove in their third fight and this is what caused the severe cut and his loss. I have never heard that Mike Q. has ever said this. Is there any truth to this? Has Mike or Jerry ever said anything to you about the outcome of Rossman/M.Quarry 3 being questionable? Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Wed Nov 7 05:38:10 PST 2001 I see Bruno boxing well until the last round where he is ahead on all cards and he gets careless. Dokes needing a knockout to win gets it with a fast barrage of at least 15 unaswered punches. Bruno doesn't repond to the referee's satisfaction and despite his corner and his protests, the verdict stands as Dokes by twelve round TKO. I think Terrell would give Foreman some difficulty early but fall in round five, Foreman is the kayo winner. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 16:57:57 PST 2001 Foreman by 3rd round KO sounds good to me. It's a weird situation, because Kenny Norton is clearly better better than Terrell, and Foreman took Norton out in 2---but for some reason, I think Terrell would make it to the 3rd before going down. I'd pick Dynamite Dokes to win a clear-cut decision over Bruno. Dokes wasn't a bad fighter at all---had a lot of talent, speed and was a smooth mover. Joe Krause sadmspats@YAHOO.COM Tue Nov 6 12:30:41 PST 2001 Foreman would have trouble with Terrell's jab for about 2 round. Terrell would be intimidated I believe and not fight his best fight because of his fear. Foreman would pounce early in the 3rd round and deliver many shots to Terrell. Foreman would win by 3rd round knockout. Dokes and Bruno are two of the worst 5 participants. In a fight that is close Bruno lands a crushing right in the late stages of the 10th round to win via TKO 10. He will be smeared in the next round I'm sure. Paul Maduros pama42@yahoo.com Tue Nov 6 10:56:12 PST 2001 Hey James, don't worry about it. You and Jerry looked totaly cool, Jerry appeared super confident and he fought like it. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Tue Nov 6 07:06:22 PST 2001 So Patterson goes through - 3 votes to 1 and one draw - Shavers 5 votes to nil....next draw we have all time great George Foreman against Ernie Terrell while in the secound bout of the night Frank Bruno meets Michael Dokes...results by Friday...Evren James Quarry boxerquarry@netscape.net Mon Nov 5 13:48:21 PST 2001 Hi Ron, yeas that was me working in Jerry's corner against Big Mack Foster. I thought I was cool with my Conway Twitty hair cut, at the time anyway, I look back on it now and it's embarrasing. I was having a good time anyway. Everytime I see that fight and myself, it gives me a good laugh. When I see Jerry performance against Foster it was brilliant. Jerry was supposed to be a stepping stone for Foster. We had a surprize for them. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Mon Nov 5 13:12:08 PST 2001 march 1975 RING MAGAZINE: San Diego-"Irish" Mike NIXON SEEMED WELL ON HIS WAY TO A 10 ROUND DECISION OVER HOME TOWNER DAVE "SUGAR" LOVE. WHEN NIXON DECKED LOVE WITH A BODY BLOW IN THE 9TH ROUND,WHICH LOVE SAID WAS LOW, AND HE WAS UNABLE TO CONTINUE. DR. WILLIAM LUNGREEN RULED LOVE WAS UNABLE TO CONTINUE, AND COMISSION OFFICIAL JOE OLMOS CALLED THE BOUT A "no Contest!" nov.5th today 24 yrs ago Quarry-zanon "live". Kent orion etc Sun Nov 4 18:32:57 PST 2001 Evren, I will be happy to record fights for you and send them to you. I tried to E-mail you back but somehow it didn't go through Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sun Nov 4 14:46:49 PST 2001 For a non title we are gonna have to say 12 rounds because of the quality of the opposition - 15 rounds when we get to the last 16...a draw is fine as the final vote will totted up. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Nov 4 11:44:27 PST 2001 So what is the answer on the number of rounds the fights go in the tournament? Is it 10,12, or 15? I am sticking to my decision that Patterson verses Weaver is scored a draw as I see Patterson out boxing Weaver most rounds but going down in multiple rounds to even up the score cards. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sun Nov 4 10:26:58 PST 2001 In a scintillating fight it is Weavers power against the combination punching Pattterson who takes his lumps but comes back to stop Weaver in the 9th round with a tremendous barrage as Weavers steam runs out. Again, Shavers scores a devastating 2nd round kayo over a game but outgunned Nino Valdes who gives his all in the first but gets nailed hard ! Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Nov 4 08:59:01 PST 2001 Shavers would come out real fast and land some real good shots. Valdes also would come out firing. Shavers superior technique would allow him to get home a devastating right cross after feinting with a left to the body. Valdes would get up and then fall over KO 2:28 round 1 Shavers. Weaver would knock Patterson down, that is for sure. Patterson would be ahead on the scorecards when Weaver would land a huge punch that Patterson can not elude. Patterson would wobble up at the count of 8 and escape and win a close unanimous decision. 96-65, 97-94, 96-94 MIKE M. COALCRACKER53PA.@AOL.COM Sat Nov 3 21:19:26 PST 2001 I WAS 15 YEARS OLD WHEN THE HEAVYWEIGHT ELIM TOURNAMENT WAS STAGED.I REALLY DIDNT FOLLOW BOXING UNTIL I WATCHED JERRY QUARRY FIGHT BUSTER MATHIS,BUT I REALLY BECAME A QUARRY FANATIC WHEN JERRY FOUGHT SMOKING JOE FRAZIER AT MSG..THE FIRST CLOSED CIRCUIT FIGHT I EVER WENT TO.STILL TO THIS DAY,THAT FIGHT WAS ONE OF THE BEST MATCHES I EVER SAW.FROM THAT FIGHT ON I FOLLOWED EVERYTHING JERRY QUARRY.A FEW FRIENDS AND I WENT TO NY AND SAW QUARRY FOSTER FIGHT WHICH JERRY WON,WHAT A HAPPY RIDE HOME TO PHILLY FOR US THAT NIGHT.HOWEVER JERRY CAME ALONG THE SAME TIME AS PROBABLY 2 OF THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHTS OF ALL TIME,FRAZIER AND ALI,(SAW FRAZIER ALI 1 AT THE GARDEN ALSO,WHAT A NIGHT THAT WAS)JERRY JUST HAD A STYLE AND SWAGGER THAT WAS SO SMOOTH BUT PERHAPS THE BIGGEST TRAIT ABOUT HIM I ADMIRED WAS THE SIZE OF HIS HEART.IT WAS LIKE RIDING A ROLLER COASTER FOLLOWING HIS CAREER,THE WINS WERE HUGE,THE LOSSES PAINFUL.I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE MET HIM AND SHAKEN HIS HAND BUT,PERHAPS THE NEXT LIFE. I GREW UP WITH MANY SPORTS HEROES, WILLIE MAYS, JOE NAMATH, BOBBY CLARKE, JOHN ELWAY, JERRY QUARRY... THEY WERE MY HEROES AS A KID,THEY STILL ARE MY HEROES AND I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT IM A BETTER PERSON FOR ADMIRING THEM AS MUCH AS I DID AND STILL DO. I REALLY HAVE LOST INTEREST IN THE HEAVYWEIGHTS OF TODAY BECAUSE NONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EVANDER AND I HATE TO SAY IT THAT TYSON GUY,COULD MATCH UP WITH THE HEAVYWEIGHTS OF THE LATE 60S AND EARLY 70S,TRULY THAT WAS THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION AND JERRY QUARRY WAS A HELL OF A BIG PART OF IT.GOD BLESS YOU JERRY,YOU WERE THE BEST IN MY BOOK..MIKE M.PHILLY. Bob Bumbera renfbera@AOL.com Sat Nov 3 20:56:54 PST 2001 Shavers KO's Valdez in two with barrage of punches,sending Valdez through the ropes. Valdez keeps Shavers at bay until the sudden end with some good combinations. Patterson wins a split decision over Weaver. Patterson is knocked down by a left hook in the fifth, and staggerd several more times during the fight but by the twelveth round, Weaver's right eye is closed by Floyd's leaping hooks and although he continues to press the action, Weaver's one punch at a time headhunting is no match for Floyd's boxing skill Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sat Nov 3 18:30:23 PST 2001 I hate to throw a "monkeywrench" into the works, but the way I see the Patterson verses Weaver fight is a draw, 141 to 141 over 15 rounds (I am assuming for the tournament that the fights are going 15 rounds and not 12). I give 9 rounds to Patterson and 6 to Weaver but Weaver scores 3 knockdowns in three different rounds for three 10 to 8 rounds under the ten point must system. My scores add up to a draw. In the other fight, I pick Shavers by third round knockout over Valdez. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Sat Nov 3 04:11:58 PST 2001 Shavers, in his prime, takes out Valdes in the first round. Shavers raw punching power, coupled with the patience he learned in the later 70's would be way too much for Valdes to handle. Weaver-Patterson would be one of the most interesting fights of the tournament thus far. Patterson would use his superior boxing skills to pile up an impressive lead over Weaver. But late in the fight, Weaver, who would still be fresh (Patterson's lack of punching power would allow Weaver to still be dangerous) would land a crushing combination on Patterson, sending Patterson down. A wobbly Patterson would beat the count, but with almost two minutes left in the round, the revitalized Weaver would land more bombs, putting Patterson down again. Patterson might rise one more time, but after taking another couple mammoth Weaver punches, the fight would be stopped. Weaver, behind on all three score cards, wins by TKO. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sat Nov 3 01:22:44 PST 2001 Louis and Schmelling go through....next draw...In the red corner we have 'Hercules' Mike Weaver and in the blue corner- Floyd Patterson. In the second fight of the night murderous punching Earnie Sahvers meets Cuban Nino Valdes...results by Tuesday..thanks..Evren Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Fri Nov 2 16:11:46 PST 2001 Welcome Arnold and hope you write again. This is a great page for remembering Jerry and Mike Quarry's boxing accomplishments and it also serves to raise awareness of James Quarry's efforts to find out more about boxing related head trauma---to make the sport safer and assist in treating injured boxers. Bobi Marie sounds like she's ready and willing to carry the torch! Stay out of her way! Arnold D. Mackey Boxarn51@aol.com Thu Nov 1 19:43:34 PST 2001 As a former Boxing Champion myself,I wish to extend my sorrow concerning the passing away of a great fighter,Jerry Quarry. I cherish the memories of Quarry beating Buster Mathis,Ron Lyle,Earnie Shavers,Mac Foster,and many others! The Jerry Quarry Boxing Site is a credit to all of you that were responsible for creating it as it awards the fistic accomplishments of one of the Greatest fighters of all-time,Jerry quarry! Thank you very much for doing it! I am a former Golden Gloves State Boxing Champion from Michigan in 1969-a former Marine Corps Base Boxing Champion at Camp Pendleton,Ca. in 1975-and a former Toughman Heavy-weight Boxing Champion at the Sports Arena in Jackson,Michigan in 1981. Jerry Quarry was always on my favorite fighters list! Sincerely,Arnold D. Mackey 11-01-01 On_MY_2nd_Million Ron@PTCtel.com Thu Nov 1 17:58:16 PST 2001 Hey, James....was that you working Jerry's corner in the Mac Foster Fight? What happened to your "Conway Twitty" hair doo (just kidding)? It was a great fight...it took Jerry 3 or 4 rounds to get going though - he didn't try to "swarm" his opponent too early as he did in the Joe Frazier I fight. Good Job. Ron SABRINA QUARRY- PORTER SABRINALPORTER@AOL.COM Wed Oct 31 03:14:49 PST 2001 TALE OF THE TAPE.BOBI MARIE PORTER, GRAND NIECE OF JERRY AND GRANDDAUGHTER OF JIMMY.4 1/2 YEARS OLD, 75 POUNDS, 46 INCHES TALL, NO NECK AND POWER IN BOTH HANDS AND A WILL OF STEEL.SHES 4 YEARS OLD AND WEARS A SIZE 12 CLOTHES.TRAINING NOW AGAINST HER 8 YEAR OLD BROTHER AND 15 YEAR OLD STEP-BROTHER.LOOKING FOR OTHER OPPONENTS THAT AREN'T AFRAID...ANYBODY IN THE WEST PALM BEACH AREA EMAIL. Sabrina Quarry-Porter sabrinalporter@aol.com Wed Oct 31 03:08:15 PST 2001 THE NEXT PERSON WITH QUARRY BLOOD IN THEM WILL BE BOMBIN BOBI PORTER.MR.JIMMY'S GRANDDAUGHTER.BUILT LIKE HER DADDY WITH FISTS OF IRON AND A PUNCH LIKE A MULE KICK.SHE'S IN TRAINING NOW AND SHE'S ONLY FOUR YEARS OLD.HAVE A GREAT DAY... Evren Evren@btinternet.com Wed Oct 31 01:01:28 PST 2001 In a surprisingly good fight Cooper rocks Schmelling early as Max struggles with 'Enry's awkward style but towards the middle of the fight works him out and sends Cooper down for the count in round 7..In another tough struggle Mercer puts the brown bomber down early in furious trade. Louis weathers the storm to come back and rock Mercer in the middle/late rounds before winning a close but unanimous decision.. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Tue Oct 30 19:42:56 PST 2001 Louis, on the basis of speed and power, would pick apart Mercer and bring the bigger man down to size in a seventh round KO. Schmeling would cut up Cooper and score a mid round stoppage Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 17:31:16 PST 2001 Louis would win, but I don't think it would be easy. Mercer, on a good night, could give almost anyone fits. I think he would end up trading with Louis, going toe-to-toe in the middle rounds (like 6 or 7) and getting taken out by a mammoth Louis punch. But Louis would know he was in a fight. Louis would win most of the rounds, but all would be tough, and he'd finish with a solid KO. Mr.Schmeling would win by TKO over Cooper---C-U-T-S. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 13:40:54 PST 2001 Louis wins by easy decision Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 13:39:31 PST 2001 Louis would pound on Mercer, but Mercer would withstand the punishment on the way to winning one round of ten. Schmeling was a pretty good precision puncher and Cooper would end up bleeding like a stuck pig. Cooper would win one round of the five fought before the referee would stop the fight. TKO cuts 6th round win for Schmelling James Quarry TJQF Tue Oct 30 05:18:12 PST 2001 TJQF got involved with a charitable event for kids, called "The Battle of the Badges" The fire department vs the police department. Exibition boxing at its best. The show was held here at the Soboba Casino. My son Eric (37) put on a boxing ecibition for this cause. I worked his corner, along with Harold Tabor. Harold used to work in Jerry corner when we were kids. We have a video and a story line. Soon we will post it on our web page. I think this will be the last time anyone will see a Quarry fighting in the ring. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Tue Oct 30 01:57:31 PST 2001 Well thats Holmes and Chuvalo through...next round....All time great Joe Louis meets Merciless Ray Mercer and in the second bout of the night Max Schmelling takes on Henry Cooper...votes by Friday...Evren Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Mon Oct 29 14:24:49 PST 2001 Hello Jimmy D. Yes I am still out here. I realize we probably overlooked Lou Nova, but it was hard to pick a field so we will probably stick with the fighters we have. I am taking a chance that some of my "old friends" don't follow me there (and I am using the term loosely!) and elsewhere, but I am writing for a couple of websites now. The main one is eastsideboxing.com. One of my articles features my interview with our fearless leader, James Q, which is still on the home page here at the Quarry site. My latest work is on the Eastside home page this week and it is a review of the Bronco Mckart verses Alex Bunema Jr. middleweight fight in Temecula Ca. I also have several other articles on the second page and in the archives. I hope everyone doesn't mind my making a plug, but realize that I am risking my old "pals" following me there. Another one of our regulars was also writing for Eastside but I will not let his idenity known. That is his choice to let everyone know or not. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 29 10:23:11 PST 2001 DEAR JIMMY Q. (THE MOE OF OUR FEARLESS LEADERS CLUB!)MORRISON VS HOLMES, YES FOR SURE HOLMES, BUT DON'T U GUYS THINK HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HOLMES A BETTER GO THAN SAY GERRY COONEY? MORRISON BEAT BETTER FIGHTER'S THAN GENTLEMAN GERRY! COONEY NEVER BEAT A TOP TENER, WHO WAS RANKED AT THE TIME. I DO LOVE HIS COMMERCIAL WHERE HE AND FOREMAN,NORTON ETC. GOT TOGETTHER, DO EVERYONE REMEMBER THE QUARRY BROTHERS MILLER LITE COMMERCIAL TITLED "SAVED BY THE BELL"?? A CLASSIC, AND I THINK JERRY QUARRY WOULD HAVE HAD A MUCH EASIER GO WITH LEON SPINKS, RATHER THAN MICHAEL, AND BEFORE I GET TOO WINDY HERE, "RING MAGAZINE". ALSO RATED JERRY OVER FOREMAN IN 1972 #2 CONTENDER. AND IT WAS SOLD JERRY BEAT 6 UNRANKED FIGHTERS BEFORE HIS SECOND WATERLOO WITH MUHAMMAD ALI, I KNOW FOR A FACT BRITISH COMMONWEALTH, AND EUROPEON CHAMPION JACK BODELL WAS RATED #8 AND MIDDLETON #7. I ALSO REMEMBER A VERY NERVOUS BRITISH ANNOUNCER, INTERVIEWING JERRY AND ASK HIM IF BODELL WAS ACKWARD TO FIGHT AND JERRY SAID "THAT HE FELL ACKWARDLY" YA ALL TAKE CARE NOW YOU HERE, HOW ABOUT A CALIFORNIA CHAMPIONSHIP PITTING JQ AGAINST THE "COSMIC MAN" LOU NOVA? JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Mon Oct 29 09:44:52 PST 2001 HEY YOU THUGS! WHERE IS LOU NOVA IN THIS 64 MAN TOURNAMENT? WHERE IS MY COSMIC PUNCH WHEN I NEED IT THE MOST? JUST JIVING YOU GUYS, BUT HE COULDV'E BEAT A FEW OF THE FIGHTER'S FOR SURE, ITS REALLY TOUGH TO CALL PARTICIPANTS, AS WELL AS THE 8-MAN TOURNAMENT THAT OUR MAN JQ WAS IN, IN 68'. JOE KINDA THRU A WRENCH IN TO THAT ONE, CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY WBA, LISTING JOE FRAZIER THEY NO.1 CONTENDER AND THEN NO.9 BECAUSE HE REFUSED THE TOURNAMENT, THATS WHY THEY ONLY REAL WORLD RATINGS, THE BEST THERE WAS, THE BEST THERE IS, AND THEY BEST THERE EVER WILL BE, YES YOU GUESSED IT "THE RING MAGAZINE" THEY ALSO RATED JERRY BETTER THAN THEY OTHER MAGS OF THAT TIME AND HE DAMN WELL DESERVED IT,(CURLY Q. LINK) KENT APPEL ARE YOU OUT THERE? KYNCK,KYNCK,KYNCK!! Arnold D. Mackey Boxarn51@aol.com Sun Oct 28 21:52:56 PST 2001 Jerry Quarry was a great and talented fighter,indeed! I saw him whip former Heavyweight contender,Buster Mathis on National TV. Many,many,many superb victories were won by Jerry throughout his fabulous career! He was one of my favorite fighters! I am sorry that he died,particularly at such a young age! I am also sorry that he had problems functioning the last few years of his life! I remember Jerry beating up and comer Mac Foster and hard punching Earnie Shavers! These were tough customers! I felt he really beat Jimmy Ellis when they fought for the W.B.A, title too! Jerry Quarry was an inspiration to watch! Mike Quarry was a top-knotch fighter as well in the Light-heavyweight division! Both men were World-Class all the way! Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sun Oct 28 11:58:22 PST 2001 Again, Larry Holmes to score a mid round stoppage over Morisson..Tommy is in the fight and Larry is wary of the left but just has that championship quality to batter morisson helpless in the 9th round - Holmes was ahead by a good margin though not a shut out. I pick Chuvalo to score a late round stoppage over Page after trailing slightly in the cards because of the Page jab.So toting up the scores we have Larry as a shut out at the moment - 5 votes to nil and in the other match Chuvalo ahead 3 votes to 2 in a very close encounter...1 day left Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 11:20:34 PST 2001 Holmes would pitch a shutout for about 7 rounds, then stop Morrison by TKO with a knockdown or two and a hard flurry that would end it. Page at his best would win a decision over Chuvalo. I'd pick Page in a tough, but not so close fight. James Quarry TJQF Sun Oct 28 07:08:17 PST 2001 I think that Holmes would be to slick and hit to hard for Morrison. Chuvalo would be to strong and aggressive for Page. Homes would knock out Morrison. Chuvalo would win a decission over Page. James Quarry TJQF Sun Oct 28 06:53:33 PST 2001 I pick Holmes and Chuvalo Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sun Oct 28 05:37:36 PST 2001 In Holmes verses Morrison, I see Holmes opening up a huge cut over Morrison's eye and the fight being stopped in round six with Holmes the winner on a TKO. Morriosn does land some hard body shots throughout and lands a hard left hook that has Holmes holding on in round two, but he is unable to follow up. I am picking Chuvalo to win by an eighth round knockout over Page. Chuvalo uses a sustained body attack and Page's hands finally come down and Chuvalo scores two knockdowns in round eight and the ref. stops the contest after the second knockdown. Mr. Jimmy, you are welcome to join the tournament. All you do is vote on who you think will win between each pair of fighters. You have until tommorow to vote on Holmes verses Morrison and Chuvalo verses Page. James Quarry TJQF Sun Oct 28 04:26:46 PST 2001 Hey every one. My pc is up and running. Sorry about missing the fight Kent. I missed the broadcast also. Jerry did have a knock scored against him in the first Patterson fight. Actually it was a slip that was scored a knock down. This is what caused Jerry to get a draw in the first fight. (Note) In this tournament that all is working on. Do you want me to contribute? If so, let me know what you want me to do? Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 18:35:46 PDT 2001 Holmes would avoid anything Tommy threw and pick him apart on his way to an eight round stoppage. Holmes would have won every round up to that point. Page in shape and at his best happened so rarely thatt it's hard to say he would be for this fight. If he actually was he would control Chuvalo, but get roughed up along the way and lose some close rounds. Page 97-93, 97-93, 98-93 Kent orion etc. Sat Oct 27 18:08:41 PDT 2001 Mr. Jimmy: we missed you at the fight card in Temecula last night. A good time was had by all. I know you had more important things to take care of. I hope everything went well. I sent you an E-mail regarding this earlier this week but you may not have got it if your computer was locked up. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sat Oct 27 18:02:08 PDT 2001 Steve, there was an official knockdown of Jerry in the first Patterson fight. I believe without looking it up, it was in the seventh round. Many people though think that Jerry slipped, If that was the case, it probably would have given Jerry the victory in that first fight instead of a draw. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Oct 26 16:22:01 PDT 2001 Well guys..looks as though Quarry and Charles go through..I'll have to the draw for next round now as cannot tommorrow morning(to coincide with your time). Okay first fight of the night..In the blue corner all time great Larry Holmes takes on the Duke..Tommy Morrison. In the second bout of the night Greg Page from Louisville Kentucky meets the Canadian strongman - George Chuvalo. Results by monday please..anyone else feel free to vote... steve dmmsrm@home.com Fri Oct 26 14:14:30 PDT 2001 Was Jerry Quarry knocked down in first Patterson fight? Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 18:48:08 PDT 2001 Charles would pick Martin apart with his jab and quick combinations. Martin would hold his own, but win few rounds. Charles by unanimous decison. 99-92 98-92 99-91 Quarry and Spinks would be very close heading into the second half of the fight. Quarry would be cut, and Spinks would be guarding his body against Quarry's left hook to the body. In round 7 Jerry would throw his left hook to the body then follow it with one to the head. Spinks would be dazed and in trouble. A barrage would follow and Spinks would fall through the ropes and be counted out. ANGELO funktron@yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 18:12:21 PDT 2001 Ezzard Charles by decision and Jerry Quarry by later round KO. Spinks would give him trouble early on, with that awkward style---but Spinks punches wouldn't hurt Jerry and even if Jerry was cut, he would start to turn the tide in the middle rounds and land bombs to KO Spinks in the late rounds. In the first round, I'd go along with the results---Cooney rather easily and Tucker by decision. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Wed Oct 24 17:03:44 PDT 2001 Ezzard Charles was a master boxer with a stinging punch..I believe he would stop Leotis in the later rounds with Martin in no position to continue due to taking too much punishment and severe bruises and cuts.. In the second fight I just pick Jerry to secure a last round stoppage in a similar fashion to the Spencer fight only much closer... Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Wed Oct 24 14:06:11 PDT 2001 I pick in the nexy two fights, Charles by unamimous decision over Martin because of his speed and boxing ablility and Jerry by seventh round knockout over M.Spinks because of his advantage in strength and his ablility to take a punch. James Quarry TJQF Wed Oct 24 11:10:00 PDT 2001 Information, my computer is down and all locked up. soom I hope to have it fixed. Currently I am using my company lap top. Looks like all of you are having a good time with your tournament. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Wed Oct 24 01:25:51 PDT 2001 Okay..Bonavena and Carnera are out...on to the next two fights...All time great Ezzard Charles will take on Leotis Martin and in the second fight of the night..Jerry Quarry takes on Michael Spinks - results by Friday please..Evren Kent Appel oriononsidje@aol.com Tue Oct 23 18:49:01 PDT 2001 Come on guys, only three of us voted? I hope we can do better than that in the next round! To those who may not know what I am talking about, we are having an all time heavyweight tournament featuring 64 of the best fighters from about 1930 to the present. To my old friend Paul, at the time that there was talk of a Foreman verses Quarry fight, Jerry weighed in the 200 to 205 range. From 1973 onward he was always at least 200 pounds as he should have been except for the second Frazier fight in which he was about 197 if memory serves me. He didn't appear to have his normal strengtk in that fught. Jerry was about 195 early in his career. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Tue Oct 23 16:36:00 PDT 2001 Well so far it is 3-0 for tucker and 3-0 for cooney - I will post results in the morning and draw the next round - one of which will be an all time great..Evren Paul Maduros pama42@yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 12:03:35 PDT 2001 To me the Jerry's fight against Lyle showed that if Jerry came into a Foreman fight trained at that level, yes he stood a good chance of an upset. Even though we now know that they were not really in the same weight class. At the time the fight could have been made. I've said it before that you just can't ask more from a 195lb man than what Jerry gave, AND YOU CAN BELIEVE JERRY GAVE IT ALL!! Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sun Oct 21 09:46:55 PDT 2001 In a fight that turns to a brawl late in the fight Tucker manages to stave off a rushing Bonavena and holds on for a close but Unanimous decision. In the second fight of the night Gerry has trouble with a big guy who matches up to him in size..the two are close but the decision falls in favour of Cooney by virtue of an earlier round knockdown.. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Oct 21 07:16:15 PDT 2001 Tucker wins by unanimous decision over 10 rounds. Scores are 97-94, 98-93, 97-93. Tucker keeps Bonavena at range with his jab and uses effective movement to evade Oscar's bull charges. In a fight filled with 8 knockdowns Cooney finally finishes Carnera in the 9th round with a left hook to the temple. Cooney was slightly ahead at the time of the stoppage. Cooney was floored 4 times and Carnera 5. These were clearly two of the weakest participants, but Gerry still seems to be able to avoid good fighters on his way to the top!! Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sat Oct 20 20:01:37 PDT 2001 I think we should stick with professionals so Stevenson isn't in. Bonevena vs Tucker, wow this is a tough call but I will have to say, Tucker by decision. Cooney vs. Canera, I say, Cooney by fifth round knockout. charles anderson ctjjandfam@aol.com Sat Oct 20 18:30:34 PDT 2001 is this tournament open to all the best heavyweights? if so how about teo stevenson. i bet he would do very well. jerry's still my favorite. any comments? Benjamin Crisp benjaminbcrisp@hotmail.com Sat Oct 20 17:59:41 PDT 2001 Yes , I think that you would have to have to rate Jerry Quarry at the top 10 of the heavyweight division , in any era . To me Jerry Quarry was an anomaly; because on any given night, Jerry could have beaten any heavyweight champion who ever lived . Maybe this is why his image has stood the test of time for so long. We all saw what he could do , and we are still in awe of it . Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sat Oct 20 16:15:39 PDT 2001 2nd fight of the night....in the red corner.....'Gentleman' Gerry Cooney ! His opponent in the blue corner....Primo Carnera !! Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sat Oct 20 16:12:22 PDT 2001 Okay - The first draw..In the red corner....Oscar 'Ringo' Bonavena..in the blue corner...Tony 'TNT' Tucker. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Sat Oct 20 14:51:31 PDT 2001 Yes because McCall cried in the ring in the middle of a fight for no apparent reason, he is out. You are right Jimmy D., I hate to see a grown man cry also--KNUCK! KNUNCK! KNUNCK! A cry guy is a wise guy. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sat Oct 20 12:01:59 PDT 2001 Okay..Mcall out and we'll have Jimmy Ellis in place - I think that is what it amounted to. I'll list the 64 contestants and start a draw at Midnight my time - should be 1600 in West Coast. 2 fights to get things moving-try to opst results by Tuesday night. Hope this is okay... Evren JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 20 11:00:55 PDT 2001 HOW ABOUT LEAVING, MILDE AND MR. SNIPES IN AND KICK McCALL OUT? BESIDES I HATE TO SEE A GROWN MAN CRY! EVREN Evren@btinternet.com Sat Oct 20 00:15:13 PDT 2001 Snipes in Mildenberger out....how do you feel about that Joe? Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 18:23:53 PDT 2001 I don't know that I ever saw Mildenberger fight---I've just read about his bouts. I did see Snipes fight---and he was decent. He had a masterpiece going against Holmes until he got tripped up toward the end. I say leave Mr. Snipes in. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Fri Oct 19 16:23:41 PDT 2001 Yes Snipes did knock Holmes down but his other acomplishment was a very disputed decsion over Coetzee in which Coetzee knocked Snipes down twice and probably won six or seven out of ten rounds in most people's view (except the judges!). So with at least six rounds, with two 10-8 rounds for Coetzee, Coetzee was a clear winner. Martin on the other hand defeated Sonny Liston even if Sonny was over the hill, that is still a worthy acomplishment. My question is does Karl Mildenberger deserve to be in the tournament more than Snipes? Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Oct 19 15:26:01 PDT 2001 Agreed.. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Oct 19 15:24:19 PDT 2001 Agreed.. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 14:42:54 PDT 2001 Renaldo Snipes out and Leotis Martin back in. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Oct 19 13:00:14 PDT 2001 Jimmy Ellis to replace Leotis Martin...sorry Leotis ! Just got to get 'round THE MATTER OF THE BEST NOT FACING EACH OTHER IN 1ST ROUND. Perhaps tHE accepted all time top 10'ers can go into a seperate hat so they would'nt be drawn against one another...ALI,FRAZIER,FOREMAN,HOLMES,LOUIS,MARCIANO,TYSON,BOWE, LEWIS,CHARLES - AFTER THE FIRST ROUND THEN FREE FOR ALL. I THINK WE SHOULD START THIS SOON. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Fri Oct 19 06:14:19 PDT 2001 Yes Berbick was a limmited fighter but he was breifly a champmion so he belongs in the tourney. He was the first title defense opponent to last the distance with an in prime Larry Holmes Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 04:29:25 PDT 2001 I could see Ellis replacing Trevor Berbick---though I'd have to go back and review the list again. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Fri Oct 19 00:19:19 PDT 2001 I forgot Ellis - we'll definitely have him in - I'll se who is best to replace..maybe Quarry...just kidding ! I do think that having an all time great against a lesser fighter sometimes makes it more interesting..but if you feel it's better that way then we'll discuss it - mail me on home address Kent. Evren Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Thu Oct 18 16:22:20 PDT 2001 Evren, what no Jimmy Ellis? I am not sure who he should replace but he deserves to be in the tournament. Also as I proposed, the all time greats like Ali, Louis, Marciano, etc, should be given a bye round (walkover) where they meet the winners of the first round bouts in the second round. I also think we should analyze or rank the fighters going into the tournament and come up with match ups where the higher ranked fighters fight lower ranked fighters at least in the first round. Picking names out of a hat is too arbitrary Evren Evren@btinternet.com Thu Oct 18 11:24:14 PDT 2001 Hi Guys - here are my proposed 64 fighters - if any of you want to see any removed and replaced with anyone else - post and we can change. I think the best way to do this is if I draw two fighters from a hat the post what the match is on this site - all of us will have three days to give our opinion on who will win - the winner goes through the loser goes out - if the decision after toting up all our predictions is a draw the two fighters go back into the hat and live to fight another day. I can do two fights at a time to move things on nicely... here goes:- MERCER, MORRISON, BRUNO, MCALL, RAHMAN, MOORER, LEWIS, BOWE, BONECRUSHER SMITH, MAC FOSTER, MIKE SPINKS, LEON SPINKS, SNIPES, LEOTIS MARTIN, SAVOLD, CARNERA,THAD SPENCER, TATE, COETZEE, BUGNER,CARL WILLIAMS, WEAVER, GALENTO, CHUVALO, CHARLES, MATHIS, SHAVERS, MILDENBERGER, LYLE, DOKES, ALI, LOUIS, TYSON, BERBICK, FARR, SHARKEY, TUBBS, COOPER, BONAVENA, LISTON,TONY TUCKER, HOLMES, MARCIANO, FOREMAN, FRAZIER, WALCOTT, MAX BAER, FOLLEY, PAGE,NINO VALDES, HOLYFIELD, LA STARZA, QUARRY, MACHEN, JOHANSSON, PINKLON THOMAS, WITHERSPOON, NORTON, JIMMY YOUNG, PATTERSON, CLEVE WILLIAMS, COONEY, TERRELL, SCHMELING. ****ALL FIGHTER ARE IN THEIR PRIMES AND HAVE COME INTO THE FIGHT IN TOP CONDITION HAVING HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO PREPARE. LET ME KNOW FOLKS EVREN Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Thu Oct 18 04:36:36 PDT 2001 We have dicussed Jerry vs Foreman here before so I'll try to be brief. Jerry in order to defeat big George would have to gain respect early by landing some hard shots while at the same time avoiding Foreman's punches whenever possible. I could see Jerry doing this because George often telegraphed his punches and Jerry using his speed could have moved in to beat him to the punch and then moved out of harms way. One of the keys to Ali's victory over Foreman is Ali made a point early in the first round to hit George with a very hard right hand to let George know he was in for a fight. This is something others such as Frazier and Norton were unable to do as George had both of these fighters hurt early before they were able to mount much of an offense. Why would Jerry have a chance against Foreman when he lost to both Frazier and Norton? The answer to this question is Jerry was much better at fighting while moving backwards than either of those two fighters. Angelo funktron@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 17:55:46 PDT 2001 It amazes me that so many people across the country (and probably around the world) still rate Jerry as one of their alltime favorites. I think it says a lot about Jerry as a fighter and also Jerry as a person---he certainly left quite a good impression of fans. After viewing the Quarry-Shavers "Punchfest" again, I came away convinced that if Jerry could have landed a title fight against Big George Foreman, Jerry would have had a legitmate chance of scoring an upset win. The biggest risk to Jerry would have been getting stopped on cuts. If he could have avoided that, I think he might have been able to absorb early punishment from George (much like Ali did), then come alive later in the fight, around the 9th or 10th round, and take advantage of Foreman if he was exhausted. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 11:14:50 PDT 2001 I see some on EBAY sometimes, but it is expensive. A lot of fans out there of Jerry. He still is very popular and he deserves to be. James Quarry TJQF Tue Oct 16 16:35:35 PDT 2001 Not to change the subject on the new project fellas. I just obtained a boxing program on Jerry and Larry Middleton. From England in May 1972. I am real pleased to get it. I am a collector of Jerry memrobilia. So if any of you find or hear where I might get some, please let me know. I've been collecting for years. My most prized is a Teamster Union Jacket in gold velvet, with blue lettering that reads 1965 Golden Gloves Champion on the back. With Jerry on the left front side. If you guys want, I will give a list on what I do have. Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sun Oct 14 14:00:13 PDT 2001 From the thirties onwards I reckon...what do you think ? That way we won't have so many actual matches that took place cropping up.. Joe Krause sadmspats@yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 09:47:45 PDT 2001 Are we going to do top 64 all-time or just of Jerry's time-period? Evren Evren@btinternet.com Sat Oct 13 13:45:07 PDT 2001 I was very saddened to hear of the death of Eddie Futch aged 90. My thoughts and respect goes out to all his family and friends. He was a great man and was sure he would make it to 100years. Bless you. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Sat Oct 13 11:08:10 PDT 2001 ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW HOW TO GET A HOLD OF THEY 1974 SUPERSTARS WITH JQ ON IT. ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME JERRY Q, OF THE 1975 VERSION. HE SET THEIR RECORDS IN BASEBALL HITTING,BOWLING,2ND IN GOLF, EVEN WENT OUT OF THE WEIGHT LIFTING AT 220LBS. OF BOXERS ONLY KEN NORTON LIFTED MORE, HAD A GREAT BIKE RACE, LOST TO FRANCO HARRIS ON THE OBSTACKLE COURSE (NO DISGRACE THERE). MUCH BETTER VERSION OF FOR US CRAZY QUARRY FAN'S. JERRY WAS VERY COMPETETIVE IN THAT ONE AND RECEIVED ENOUGH POINTS TO GET ANOTHER INVITE BACK. I HAPPEND TO SEE BOTH "LIVE". JERRY WAS RATED RIGHT BEHIND FRAZIER AT THE TIME, AND THE CAT WAS IN SHAPE. Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Fri Oct 12 19:20:54 PDT 2001 Carl, it is nice that you are trying to retrive some of the lost letters but at the expense of some of the more recent letters? We are missing the last week's posts and if I had to choose, I would rather read those rather than the ones from the past as some of them contain posts when people were arguing and I have no need to read those again! Joe and Evren, I think that 64 is a good number for our tournament. I would like to see the match ups provide for a bye round for some of the all time greats as random match ups could keep fighters not as worthy in the tournament longer. Joe Krause sadmspata@yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 12:31:16 PDT 2001 I have purchased the game Title Fight 2000 and am re-rating tmany guys to start my own replay project of the era. It should be very interesting to see what happens. I have over 100 guys rated already and have hundreds more to go! Carl Weingarten TJQF Mon Oct 1 21:58:45 PDT 2001 Kent, Try refreshing your browser a few times. You have to clear the cache in your computer to load up the new page with the revised clip info. I played the new clip from work today and it came up fine. Good luck. Kent orinonside@aol.com Mon Oct 1 15:09:18 PDT 2001 Carl: I tried the new clip but the Lyle fight still comes up. Is the Alexander clip the same one that is on the extended highlight video? Carl Weingarten TJQF Mon Oct 1 08:07:12 PDT 2001 There's a new Clip of The Month. It features ABC footage of the Quarry-Alexander fight during a segment of The Superstars in 1975. A brief interview with Jerry is also included. James Quarry TJQF Mon Oct 1 06:17:23 PDT 2001 Did anyone see the Trinidad fight. I've heard the results and read the paper. I guess Hopkins proved his point. ROY AŅEZ ANEZBR@PDVSA.COM Sun Sep 30 10:32:39 PDT 2001 I´M 46 YEARS OLD, I HAVE 3 CHILDREN AND THEIR NAME ARE JERRY AND ARWANDA, I LIKE TO KNOW THE STORE´NAME WERE CAN I BUY VIDEOS IN THE FLORIDA STATE, EXCUSME MY BAD ENGLISH BECAUSE I´M FROM VENEZUELA AND SPEAK SPANISH. I LIKE TO RECEIVE YOUR LETTERS JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Fri Sep 28 12:44:33 PDT 2001 to KENT APPEL:MY GIRLFRIEND ROBIN and i were watching Conan o'brien they other day, on a commercial break it showed a picture of him, in a diner with a cook's hat throwing out the three stooges, had to be computerized remake, it was hilarious, and i thought of you and moe(JAMES Q). Actually it was jerry;s sparring partner and friend big DAVE CENTI, who really ran FLOYD PATTERSON THRU THE MUD AS A DIRTY BOXER,JQ WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PATTERSON'S HEAD (IT WAS SHARP)AND HE WOULD USE THAT IN THE CLINCHE'S EXAMPLE: JERRY WAS CUT BY PATTERSON'S HEAD IN BOTH BOUTS AND RECEIVED ABOUT A DOZEN STICHES. ON TOP OF HIS HEAD IN THE 2ND BOUT ALONE, JERRY NEVER REALLY COMPLAINED AND IF YOU WATCH THE BOUTS YU COULD SEE FLOYD USE THE TACTIC, IN THE CLINCH, I HAVE A 1967 LA TIMES OF CENTI BEING INTERVIEWED ON THE MATTER TAKE CARE. JIMMY DORSEY RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM Fri Sep 28 12:27:03 PDT 2001 TOMMY MORRISON COMES TO MIND, HE;S BEEN ON THE CANVAS HIS FARE SHARE OF TIMES, RICHARD DUNN, LORENZO ZANON, ALFREDO EVANGELISTA (WAS NOT THE GREATEST). DUANE BOBICK (ALTHOUGH HE TOOK ABOUT AS MANY AS YOU CAN IN ONE ROUND-NORTON.TATE). DANNY MCALINDON,JACK BODELL, ALL OF TYSON'S BUMS! HERE'S ONE FOR YOU GUYS ALTHOUGH HE HAD A CHIN OF GRANITE, GEORGE CHUVALO VS JQ WAS GETTING STAGGERED A FEW TIMES AND IT MIGHT OF BEEN ONLY A MATTER OF TIME, BEFORE JERRY MIGHT HAVE SCORED A KNOCKDOWN, WITH chuvalo's eyes ALSO IN BAD SHAPE. JERRY WAS BEGINNING TO REALLY BOMB HIM , BEFORE THE SUDDEN ENDING. CASE IN POINT NORTON-QUARRY THEY WERE SAYING THE SAME THING. CHUVALO WAS NEVER REALLY EVER KNOCKED TO THE CANVAS , I BELIEVE BONAVENA PUSHED GEORGE DOWN (and they might have ruled it a knock down). and that really would have been a feat if jerry could have done the trick to CHUVALO IN 1969. FUNNY HOW WE ALL ARE LIVING IN HEAVYWEIGHTS PAST HA HA ! Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Thu Sep 27 11:09:30 PDT 2001 I wasn't thinking about the second tier group of fighters from the era. Larenzo Zanon would have to have the weakest chin or pretty close to it. Evren EVREN@BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 27 03:02:19 PDT 2001 I go for Richard Dunn as the weakest chin...Joe Bugner and Jimmy Young managed to knock him out !! Kent Appel oriononside@aol.com Wed Sep 26 18:45:21 PDT 2001 Earnie Shavers had the weakest chin of the 60's and 70's with a lot of competition from Floyd Patterson. We have to give Floyd credit though because he always got up and fought back hard and most of the time when he was knocked down in a fight he won the fight. On another note, I have heard Jerry as being quoted that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought. That seems surprising as Floyd seems like a likable guy outside of th